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danceronice
01-19-2012, 12:34 AM
I looked at Abby's studio's 'graduates' list, and while there aren't really any ballet or ballroom champs, there ARE a lot of working dancers who are making a living. Which is a pretty good thing.

shan
01-19-2012, 02:52 AM
Here's a link to some of the clips from that Anderson Cooper appearance.

We need to start a Free Vivi movement :mitchell: ! The poor girl. That monotone "I hope I can still dance" comment was :scream:

Holley Calmes
01-19-2012, 03:11 AM
I looked at Abby's studio's 'graduates' list, and while there aren't really any ballet or ballroom champs, there ARE a lot of working dancers who are making a living. Which is a pretty good thing.

Yep-lots of cruise dancers and I think one or two on broadway, which isn't bad! Dance covers a wide spectrum. I wouldn't expect a great ballet dancer to come from this environment, but thesr's nothing wrong with any form of dance that entertains, communicates, and draws a pay check.

danceronice
01-19-2012, 03:24 AM
Yep-lots of cruise dancers and I think one or two on broadway, which isn't bad! Dance covers a wide spectrum. I wouldn't expect a great ballet dancer to come from this environment, but thesr's nothing wrong with any form of dance that entertains, communicates, and draws a pay check.

Yep, consistently turning out dancers who are earning a living as dancers is definitely nothing to sneeze at.

shan: ITA, Free Vivi! More puppies, less plies!

julieann
01-19-2012, 03:31 AM
I looked at Abby's studio's 'graduates' list, and while there aren't really any ballet or ballroom champs, there ARE a lot of working dancers who are making a living. Which is a pretty good thing.

Working dancers yes, however, I think the point that was being made by some of the dance teachers in the audience was that many studios graduate employable dancers in many capacities. Abby really does nothing special in that regard.

If she said I have 20 Rockettes out of 50 out there or out of all the kids I have graduated 15 have gone onto perform on Broadway, she would set herself apart, but she can't say that.

Personally being in dance my whole life, I would never want the same instructor my whole life, especially one who "teaches" but can't actually demonstrate. Your repertoire as a dancer needs variety so you don't get stale.

danceronice
01-19-2012, 03:23 PM
Really? Most local studios whose kids I've seen perform...aren't going to put anyone working anywhere near New York. Ever. ' I take the "champions" thing with a grain of salt as their competition circuit seen on the show appears to be slightly on par with Universal Royalty pageants as far as pay to play and having any meaning behind the wins. It's like being a world pro-am ballroom champion--nice in its own area, not really setting most people up for anything more. But Abby does have students in the casts of professional shows, who are not waiting tables and teaching in BFE, North Dakota, or just not dancing, which is where most kids in lessons will end up. Yeah, the majority of her students aren't pros, but I don't know ANY from any dance studio around here who are, or the kids I grew up with on the other side of the state except ONE (and she's teaching, not full-time.)

I think treating the competitions they do like the Olympics is definitely silly, though. There Abby (and Cathy) are clearly overstating the case.

julieann
01-19-2012, 04:43 PM
Really? Most local studios whose kids I've seen perform...aren't going to put anyone working anywhere near New York. Ever. ' I take the "champions" thing with a grain of salt as their competition circuit seen on the show appears to be slightly on par with Universal Royalty pageants as far as pay to play and having any meaning behind the wins. It's like being a world pro-am ballroom champion--nice in its own area, not really setting most people up for anything more. But Abby does have students in the casts of professional shows, who are not waiting tables and teaching in BFE, North Dakota, or just not dancing, which is where most kids in lessons will end up. Yeah, the majority of her students aren't pros, but I don't know ANY from any dance studio around here who are, or the kids I grew up with on the other side of the state except ONE (and she's teaching, not full-time.)

I think treating the competitions they do like the Olympics is definitely silly, though. There Abby (and Cathy) are clearly overstating the case.

Obviously thousands of dancers make a living professionally and Abby didnít teach all of them, someone else did; so I do think she overstates her credentials. She has had success with some of her students and she needs to really make them shine to get people to pay for her services. But honestly I think more often than not I think more kids will end up like Kelly, and that's ok too.

Bonita
01-20-2012, 04:36 AM
I wish for more dance,less moms. It seems to be turning into a housewives of whateva show. I like to see kids dance (except poor viv, who hates it) .

skateboy
01-20-2012, 06:01 AM
I loved that Abby's group number was "Bad Apples."

Ozzisk8tr
01-20-2012, 08:22 AM
My dance teacher that I started with at age 3 was like Abby. She would scream, yell, belittle, humiliate... I worked all over the world as a dancer (tap/jazz/ballet/acro, etc) so there is something to be said about that way of teaching. However I remember throwing up from fear before a private lesson once, because I left my music at home. I was 17 at the time... I always swore that when I was teaching I would never raise my voice. I so love the show though. :shuffle:

hirshey girl
01-20-2012, 04:26 PM
I actually picture Vivi's rebellion in the future- a tattooed and pierced softball player. Bet her mom's head would explode. :P Seriously, I am disappointed that this woman passed a home study to adopt. I truly hope for Vivi's sake, it's all in the editing and her mother is truly not this bad.

Hannahclear
01-20-2012, 04:56 PM
No, of course I don't watch this total piece of tripe!

:shuffle: ;)

danceronice
01-20-2012, 05:25 PM
My dance teacher that I started with at age 3 was like Abby. She would scream, yell, belittle, humiliate... I worked all over the world as a dancer (tap/jazz/ballet/acro, etc) so there is something to be said about that way of teaching. However I remember throwing up from fear before a private lesson once, because I left my music at home. I was 17 at the time... I always swore that when I was teaching I would never raise my voice. I so love the show though. :shuffle:

I had a similar experience with a riding instructor (now, I will say that included a legitimate fear for my LIFE, being asked to do things neither I nor the very hot horse she sold us could safely manage.) I find I prefer stern to coddling, but from skating pros I know there's a difference between that and psycho.

You also have to know which kids can't handle it. Though, really, I'll take Abby's yelling over Cathy's saccharine insanity....

danceronice
01-25-2012, 03:05 AM
Someone PLEASE put Vivi-Anne out of her misery.

And way to go, judges. Because Abby pegged it, Vivi was only in there to bring the age category down.

kwanatic
01-25-2012, 06:56 PM
Someone PLEASE put Vivi-Anne out of her misery.

And way to go, judges. Because Abby pegged it, Vivi was only in there to bring the age category down.

LMAO! I agree. That kid always looks like she's two seconds from falling asleep!

I thought last night's episode was pretty good. I do think that Brooke should have been given the opportunity to do something else she wanted to pursue, but I agree with Abbey about teaching children to honor their commitments and not bail midway through. Brooke had been talking about cheerleading since last season...she shouldn't have agreed to dance for another year...

Their group number was lovely. The costumes were beautiful and so was the dancing. Kathy's girls were nice but having Vivi lift her leg and then run off the stage was just a ploy to get the older girls to dance in the younger category. It was unfair and I'm glad the judges placed them 8th.

Chloe was wonderful! She's improved! Like Maddie, she's now emoting a bit more when she dances and it's helping her scores. What sets Maddie apart is her performance level. She appears to really feel the music and character which makes her more captivating to watch...but Chloe's getting there too. Maddie's solo just wasn't that good. I don't care what her mom said, something about it was just off. Maddie even said so herself...the routine wasn't good and that's why she didn't place higher.

I'm happy Little Bit (Mckenzie) won her event. It's going to be interesting when the new girl comes in. To me, she doesn't fit in with the group; she's too tall. The good thing about Brooke was even though she was older than the other girls, standing side by side, she doesn't stick out as much as this new girl will. New girl's mom is going to start a lot of drama though...I can't wait!!!