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poths
01-14-2012, 06:53 PM
I've been youtubing lately and find myself going to the old reliables. Reliable, not because of their competetive metal but because of the care they took when constructing a program. Whilst some of these ladies never medalled at worlds, nor remembered by the current generation of fans, these are trully some of the finest moments inf ladies figure skating of the last 10 years IMHO and I'd love to see the current crop learn a thing a two from the following ladies/programs.

It's all about the nuances IMHO.


- 2007 LP 'Munich' by Susanna Poykio (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bIM6h8e1uE&fmt=18)
The original music choice, the quiet performance and understated expression.
The free turns on the music after the first lutz, the build up to the spiral, the super ending right on the footwork..... such a clever program worthy of any podium.

-- 2000 LP 'Legends of the Fal'l by Vanessa Gusmerolli (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UU285dfI7u0)
Again, a quiet performance but so many choreographical highlights. The split stop, the Ina, the change of direction camel spins to finish, packed with originality. Clearly the best program of 2000 and unfortunately only 4th at both worlds and Euros.

- 2001 LP 'Sleeping Beauty' by Angela Nikodinov (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGsMDXLyXxs)
I think this is the epitome of flow. IMHO it's a better program and better skated program than anything her more famous compatriot ever produced.


- 2003 LP 'Malaguena' by Julia Lautowa (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIy94L5Y0iw&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL77BA518A250287C5)
Call me insane, but I genuinely think this proves how simple it is to make a program come alive...the queen of punctuation. SHe highlights so many random beats, it's very easy to do and very effective...see opening 10 seconds, spiral, even the jumps are placed on the beat of the music (see loop)...and low and behold she splats on the last beat, I believe on purpose, all in the name of punctuation.

-2006 LP 'Turandot' by Shizuka Arakawa (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8g0ghQMLORI)
SOmetimes you don't have to have that much choreography when you have killer flow, and jumps that are so pleasing on they eye they may aswell by choreography. When you have an Ina Bauer and a Full split COE spiral too boot......super program.


Plenty more to be added in time. :)

PashaFan
01-15-2012, 04:02 PM
I've been youtubing lately and find myself going to the old reliables. Reliable, not because of their competetive metal but because of the care they took when constructing a program. Whilst some of these ladies never medalled at worlds, nor remembered by the current generation of fans, these are trully some of the finest moments inf ladies figure skating of the last 10 years IMHO and I'd love to see the current crop learn a thing a two from the following ladies/programs.

It's all about the nuances IMHO.


- 2007 LP 'Munich' by Susanna Poykio (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bIM6h8e1uE&fmt=18)
The original music choice, the quiet performance and understated expression.
The free turns on the music after the first lutz, the build up to the spiral, the super ending right on the footwork..... such a clever program worthy of any podium.

-- 2000 LP 'Legends of the Fal'l by Vanessa Gusmerolli (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UU285dfI7u0)
Again, a quiet performance but so many choreographical highlights. The split stop, the Ina, the change of direction camel spins to finish, packed with originality. Clearly the best program of 2000 and unfortunately only 4th at both worlds and Euros.

- 2001 LP 'Sleeping Beauty' by Angela Nikodinov (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGsMDXLyXxs)
I think this is the epitome of flow. IMHO it's a better program and better skated program than anything her more famous compatriot ever produced.


- 2003 LP 'Malaguena' by Julia Lautowa (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIy94L5Y0iw&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL77BA518A250287C5)
Call me insane, but I genuinely think this proves how simple it is to make a program come alive...the queen of punctuation. SHe highlights so many random beats, it's very easy to do and very effective...see opening 10 seconds, spiral, even the jumps are placed on the beat of the music (see loop)...and low and behold she splats on the last beat, I believe on purpose, all in the name of punctuation.

-2006 LP 'Turandot' by Shizuka Arakawa (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8g0ghQMLORI)
SOmetimes you don't have to have that much choreography when you have killer flow, and jumps that are so pleasing on they eye they may aswell by choreography. When you have an Ina Bauer and a Full split COE spiral too boot......super program.


Plenty more to be added in time. :)

You & I must have identical taste because I loved all of them !.
What wouild we do without Youtube ?!.
Sussana Poykio is such a beautiful skater & her Munich programe still gives me chills. She really understood what the music was saying. She connected to it very well.
Angela Nikodinov really improved in the 2000/2001 season & her Sleeping Beauty programe showed that. I have her Free Skates from the NHK Trophy 2000, US Nationals 2001 & Worlds in 2001 on DVD & have watched them many times. It was a well choreagraphed programe.
Also Vanessa Gusemeroli's Legends Of The Fall Free was amazing. I watched her Free from the 2000 Europeans yesterday & still can't believe she did not win a medal. The various spins at the end were so well done.
Another gem for me was Sussana Poykio's Free at the 2002 Europeans in Lausanne. Such a gentle programe. Have you ever seen it?.

taf2002
01-15-2012, 06:58 PM
-- 2000 LP 'Legends of the Fal'l by Vanessa Gusmerolli (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UU285dfI7u0)
Again, a quiet performance but so many choreographical highlights. The split stop, the Ina, the change of direction camel spins to finish, packed with originality. Clearly the best program of 2000 and unfortunately only 4th at both worlds and Euros.

She also did the splits & then came back up effortlessly. This is one of my favorite program of all time & her Worlds performance was divine. I believe the commentator at the time (Uncle Dick?) said that the fact that she completed all her jumps early & then ended with a series of spins might hurt her on the tech mark. That may be so but it was brilliant choreographically.

briancoogaert
01-15-2012, 07:59 PM
-- 2000 LP 'Legends of the Fal'l by Vanessa Gusmerolli (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UU285dfI7u0)
Again, a quiet performance but so many choreographical highlights. The split stop, the Ina, the change of direction camel spins to finish, packed with originality. Clearly the best program of 2000 and unfortunately only 4th at both worlds and Euros.
The french commentators are Nelson Montfort and Isabelle Duchesnay. ;)

Nomad
01-16-2012, 02:29 AM
Thanks for the links, poths. I particularly enjoyed seeing Lautowa again. And I love that her reaction to the fall was laughter.

Miriam246
01-16-2012, 01:18 PM
I just watched the 2000 LP 'Legends of the Fall' by Vanessa Gusmerolli.

Wow...I had never seen her skate before. That was exquisite.

Thank you for posting! I'm going to go watch the rest.

kukkura
01-16-2012, 04:25 PM
Gusmeroli's scores should have been higher. Maybe the judges thought she should have done more jumps. In addition to those six good triples she only did one 2a and one 2t.

The Pöykiö program was probably the only LP of hers where she had 7 triples planned. She doubled the 2nd flip and fell on the loop, but it was still a beautiful effort.

briancoogaert
01-16-2012, 04:27 PM
Gusmeroli's scores should have been higher. Maybe the judges thought she should have done more jumps. In addition to those six good triples she only did one 2a and one 2t.
IMO, the judges thought she was not a reliable skater and were ready to give her a medal the next season if she skates like that again. The problem is that she never skated at this level again.

taf2002
01-16-2012, 04:40 PM
IMO, the judges thought she was not a reliable skater and were ready to give her a medal the next season if she skates like that again. The problem is that she never skated at this level again.

Didn't she already have a bronze at Worlds by then? 97 or 98?

Vash01
01-16-2012, 04:45 PM
I am confused by the title of this thread....."thoughtful program......."

I am not sure what the OP means by thoughtful. The examples are all over the place. I agree about an original music choice as being "thoughtful" but having good choreography (Gusmeroli) or flow & Ina Bauer (Shizuka) or Angela's beautiful Sleeping beauty performance - aren't they just good performances? What makes them "thoughtful"? I am not sure I understand the line of thinking here. Please educate me.

briancoogaert
01-16-2012, 04:50 PM
Didn't she already have a bronze at Worlds by then? 97 or 98?
Yes, but she skated so badly after her bronze medal in 1997. I have the feeling that judges told her in 2000 : "we gave you this in 1997 and you didn't do something right with it, so now, you'll have to prove that you deserve it. We'll see next year if you are consistent". JMHO.

BmcC102
01-16-2012, 08:48 PM
Personally, I have always STRONGLY disliked Gusmeroli's 2000 LP. Waiting until the end of the program to do all the spins is very lazy choreography, IMO. It's takes a skilled team (coach, skater, and of course, choreographer) to know where to place spins, especially since they take so much energy. Spins can be used to enhance a piece of music, and should be placed to follow the melodic phrasing, again, IMO.

As beautiful as the music is, as well landed as the jumps are, as emotional it was for her to skate well in her home country, I still think the judges were smart to give the scores they did. Before there were component marks, there was only one second mark. I'm so glad that they didn't "okay" a program that was so poorly constructed, with the spins alone, if nothing else.

alchemy void
01-17-2012, 05:46 AM
Great thread idea. Here are a few programs that come to mind.

Sarah Meier, 2008, La Folia in Black (http://youtu.be/7JTlDKlSybo)
You want thoughtful? Just look at her facial expression at the opening pose. Not to sound like a dried up Peggy Flemming cliche, but she really gets the music and feels it. Gorgeous unused music and she accents the nuances so well. The placement of the elements are well-distributed and really fit the program so well. Also, her footwork at the end is sublime: expresses the music so well while being difficult and moving across the ice at a good speed. It can be done. Everything about this program is just :swoon: .

Elena Liashenko, 2003, Piazolla (http://youtu.be/cqV1zlbr7N8)
Great tango program filled with lots of great choreography. She skated this better at Worlds that year but this is still a decent peformance. I love how she is able to avoid a lot of the usual cliche tango movements and does some unique moves. My favorite part is 3:00 into the program...right when the music cuts to Libertango, her epic LiashenkoLutzTM setup takes place and it fits the music perfectly. :cheer: PS Her marks are a joke for this program. 4.9? Efff off.

skateboy
01-17-2012, 07:34 AM
Waiting until the end of the program to do all the spins is very lazy choreography, IMO.

ITA.

Kelvster
01-17-2012, 08:55 AM
Poths! You have such great tastes ... of all the ppl on FSU, you are certainly one of the most "thoughtful" ones!

It's v. appropriate to reflect on the 00s ... now that we are in 2012.

Susanna Poykio's "Munich" programme was indeed v. touching - I originally found it a little depressing but as the season went on I began to "understand" it more. Just love the quiet quality of the programme and the introspective straight-line step sequence in the end.

Gusmeroli's Legends of the Fall programme is another one I have watched many times on youtube :P

Hoping that the 2010s will be a good decade for skating and that we'll all enjoy skating as much as we used to ;)