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Loves_Shizuka
04-01-2012, 01:39 PM
Asada was 4th in 2009... she won in 2010.

Ando was 4th in 2010... she won in 2011.

Leonova was 4th in 2011... she won (the silver/SP) in 2012.

Wagner was 4th in 2012...

leafygreens
04-01-2012, 02:41 PM
Asada was 4th in 2009... she won in 2010.

Ando was 4th in 2010... she won in 2011.

Leonova was 4th in 2011... she won (the silver/SP) in 2012.

Wagner was 4th in 2012...

:D

Stephanie
04-01-2012, 03:12 PM
Well she was close to getting a medal

I believe she'll get a small medal for being third in the FS?

I was never much of an Ashley fan before but became a big one this season because of her attitude. She's mature, takes full responsibility for herself and her actions, and isn't afraid to attack. I also like her honesty.

Phillip Mills has quite the job ahead to top or even come close to equalling this year's long program!

UGG
04-01-2012, 03:13 PM
Well she was close to getting a medal... But whatever, 4th isn't bad at all at your second Worlds. After all, Sasha was 4th at her second Worlds... I guess that means she'll be 2nd next year! :D

MK was 4th at her second worlds too

smarts1
04-01-2012, 04:21 PM
^ Good point. And she won it the year after.

victoriaheidi
04-01-2012, 08:38 PM
Asada was 4th in 2009... she won in 2010.

Ando was 4th in 2010... she won in 2011.

Leonova was 4th in 2011... she won (the silver/SP) in 2012.

Wagner was 4th in 2012...

I really like this pattern.

No matter what people think of the US ladies, no one can deny that this was a breakthrough season for Ashley, who won a GP medal, was second alternate to the GPF (IMO, she should have won two GP medals, but whatever), won Nats AND 4CCs and placed 4th at Worlds. We may be in a "slump," but those are pretty nice results.

NMURA
04-01-2012, 09:02 PM
I've noticed Wagner's records are very similar to Meissner in the 2006-2007 season.

Meissner
GPS - 2nd and 3rd, 2nd alternate for GPF
US nationals - 1st
4CC at Colorado - 1st
Worlds - 4th

Don't be too optimistic. What happened for Meissner in the next season? For American ladies, the 4CC title (at Colorado) could be a jinx. Do you remember Katy Taylor?

victoriaheidi
04-01-2012, 09:19 PM
I've noticed Wagner's records are very similar to Meissner in the 2006-2007 season.

Meissner
GPS - 2nd and 3rd, 2nd alternate for GPF
US nationals - 1st
4CC at Colorado - 1st
Worlds - 4th

Don't be too optimistic. What happened for Meissner in the next season? For American ladies, the 4CC title (at Colorado) could be a jinx. Do you remember Katy Taylor?

I thought about that, but isn't it also somewhat self-fulfilling if we treat it that way?

DimaToe
04-01-2012, 09:53 PM
I've noticed Wagner's records are very similar to Meissner in the 2006-2007 season.

Meissner
GPS - 2nd and 3rd, 2nd alternate for GPF
US nationals - 1st
4CC at Colorado - 1st
Worlds - 4th

Don't be too optimistic. What happened for Meissner in the next season? For American ladies, the 4CC title (at Colorado) could be a jinx. Do you remember Katy Taylor?

Kimmie was 17 and still growing if im correct, her jumps were leaving her, and had been the World champion the year before, so she was going in a downward spiral if anything.

Ashley on the other hand is already 20, her jumps and artistry has greatly improved, and will surely keep on getting better under John Nicks, and she keeps on delivering solid results, medal or not.

To compare these two is ridiculous, Kimmie and Katy have no effect on what level of success Wagner will achieve, Ashley has the hunger that has been absent from U.S ladies in a while, so i doubt that we've seen the last of her, she means business!! :kickass:

martyross
04-01-2012, 10:04 PM
yea both Worlds and 4cc statistics don't predict the future of a skater, unless we believe in the tarots or something. :confused: if someone places 4th and then wins the year after, it only means that he/she's improved. luckily, the world is not governed by jinxs and such :D

nyskater09
04-01-2012, 10:27 PM
I just finished watching Ashley's FS performance, and wow! I thought she did wonderfully. I was extremely impressed. Her jumps were high and powerful, and from what I saw the only two foot landing she had was the triple toe at the end of the double axel combo. She said after nationals she wanted to fix the double-footing, and she did. She is gutsy, athletic, and means what she says. I am not sure if she knew of Alissa's poor placement in the FS, but if she knew, good for her for bringing it when it counts. That's a lot of pressure. I have very high hopes for her for these next few years! Congrats Ashley!

NMURA
04-01-2012, 10:27 PM
I'm not directly comparing Wagner to Meissner(Taylor). Just pointing out past patterns. After Meissner, 4CC winners won worlds 4 years in a row, but Wagner coudn't continue the trend. There could be different patters for American ladies.

Theatregirl1122
04-01-2012, 10:43 PM
I've noticed Wagner's records are very similar to Meissner in the 2006-2007 season.

Meissner
GPS - 2nd and 3rd, 2nd alternate for GPF
US nationals - 1st
4CC at Colorado - 1st
Worlds - 4th

Don't be too optimistic. What happened for Meissner in the next season? For American ladies, the 4CC title (at Colorado) could be a jinx. Do you remember Katy Taylor?

Yeah, I think Ashley's probably through puberty, actually.

chipso1
04-01-2012, 10:48 PM
Can't say enough how proud I am of Ashley. She has grown so much this season, both technically and artistically. Can't wait to see what she comes up with next season. :)

jlai
04-01-2012, 10:50 PM
Can't say enough how proud I am of Ashley. She has grown so much this season, both technically and artistically. Can't wait to see what she comes up with next season. :)

I bawled after her program was done.