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gkelly
02-28-2012, 01:05 AM
I think the point is that when Slutskaya had a bad day at Nationals (or an off year in general) she might end up 4th.

When Meissner or Czisny had rough time defending their national titles, they ended up 7th and 10th.

The top 5 Russian ladies in 1999 might have been collectively stronger than the top 5 US ladies in 2008 or 2010. But after the top 5, the level of the skaters Slutskaya faced at Russian Nationals dropped off more sharply than in the US field.

But the strength of the field can vary greatly from year to year due to injuries, several strong veterans retiring at once, or a strong crop of last year's juniors moves up to seniors.

jlai
02-28-2012, 01:14 AM
I'm going by memory here. I think there were a couple years when top ten at Russian nationals was an accomplishment. Here's the ladies team that dominated Junior world ladies champ from 1995 to 1999, with the exception of 97 (won by Vogel and even then two Russian ladies were on the podium).

But then a long drought followed and the Japanese ladies soon ruled. And now the Russian ladies are back again.

I'm sure every country wishes to have their talent pool more "spreadout" through the years so they're not ending up boom and bust that 1)leaves great talents at home in very competitive years and 2) suffers long drought when the girls are left without a medal.

Triple Butz
02-28-2012, 06:09 AM
I think the point is that when Slutskaya had a bad day at Nationals (or an off year in general) she might end up 4th.

When Meissner or Czisny had rough time defending their national titles, they ended up 7th and 10th.

The top 5 Russian ladies in 1999 might have been collectively stronger than the top 5 US ladies in 2008 or 2010. But after the top 5, the level of the skaters Slutskaya faced at Russian Nationals dropped off more sharply than in the US field.

But the strength of the field can vary greatly from year to year due to injuries, several strong veterans retiring at once, or a strong crop of last year's juniors moves up to seniors.

When Irina was 4th, the US commentators said that she actually skated well at RN.

Alissa and Kimmie didn't just have "off nights." Kimmie's performances had FOUR falls and Alissa had major problems on the majority of her jumps in both programs. I also think the difference in placements has a lot more to do with CoP vs 6.0 than anything else. In 6.0, a decent short could prevent you from dropping so far in the free skate even with a total disaster.

MikiAndoFan#1
03-02-2012, 09:09 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/AshWagner2010/status/175683832136212480/photo/1 :rofl:

Karpenko
03-03-2012, 02:44 AM
:lol: I love that.

victoriaheidi
03-03-2012, 03:40 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/AshWagner2010/status/175683832136212480/photo/1 :rofl:

:rofl: Makes me wish she'd posted a photo of the parking job, too!

chipso1
03-05-2012, 01:18 AM
Kiri Baga was in Detroit a few weeks ago for choreography. Wondering if it was with either Shae-Lynn or Pasquale?

just wondering
03-05-2012, 02:03 AM
Does Shae-Lynn coach in Detroit?

chipso1
03-05-2012, 02:08 AM
I don't think so, but I know she does choreography for some of the Detroit skaters.

Sylvia
03-05-2012, 02:18 AM
I believe Shae-Lynn Bourne is still based in Toronto but makes visits to Detroit SC from time to time.

ISU Season Best Total Scores updated after Junior Worlds (USA ladies in top 30 as of March 4, 2012):

1 192.41 Ashley WAGNER Four Continents Championships 2012 (Worlds to come)
8 179.15 Alissa CZISNY GP Trophee E. Bompard 2011 (Challenge Cup Senior B next, then Worlds)
9 176.18 Caroline ZHANG Four Continents Championships 2012
10 173.22 Mirai NAGASU GP Cup of China 2011
11 172.69 Gracie GOLD JGP Tallinn Cup 2011 (171.85, 2nd at Jr Worlds)
25 157.23 Agnes ZAWADZKI Four Continents Championships 2012
26 156.58 Vanessa LAM JGP Austria 2011 (138.94, 13th at Jr Worlds)
28 153.84 Samantha CESARIO JGP Baltic Cup 2011
29 152.48 Christina GAO GP Cup of China 2011 (151.09, 7th at Jr Worlds)
30 151.91 Courtney HICKS JGP Brisbane 2011

triple_toe
03-05-2012, 03:23 AM
Isn't Shae-Lynn pregnant at the moment? I don't know how much choreo she'd be doing.

kwanatic
03-05-2012, 07:00 PM
^^It probably depends on how pregnant she is. If she's 7 or 8 months, I doubt if she'll be choreographing much...but if she's not that far along, she'll still be able to work...if she wants to.

Sylvia
03-05-2012, 09:00 PM
Phil Hersh tweeted today:
"Alissa Czisny just told me she will make 2 trips to Europe in 3 weeks: lv Tues for comp in Holland, back Sun, then lv 2 wks later for worlds
Czisny added she saw the Dutch event this weekend as a "trial run" to see what still needs polishing before worlds"

LilJen
03-05-2012, 09:39 PM
Huh. I thought the whole Sato/Dungjen crew was just staying in Europe from now through Worlds--training there. That's a lotta traveling.

mineko
03-06-2012, 01:30 AM
I believe Shae-Lynn Bourne is still based in Toronto but makes visits to Detroit SC from time to time.

ISU Season Best Total Scores updated after Junior Worlds (USA ladies in top 30 as of March 4, 2012):

1 192.41 Ashley WAGNER Four Continents Championships 2012 (Worlds to come)
8 179.15 Alissa CZISNY GP Trophee E. Bompard 2011 (Challenge Cup Senior B next, then Worlds)
9 176.18 Caroline ZHANG Four Continents Championships 2012
10 173.22 Mirai NAGASU GP Cup of China 2011
11 172.69 Gracie GOLD JGP Tallinn Cup 2011 (171.85, 2nd at Jr Worlds)
25 157.23 Agnes ZAWADZKI Four Continents Championships 2012
26 156.58 Vanessa LAM JGP Austria 2011 (138.94, 13th at Jr Worlds)
28 153.84 Samantha CESARIO JGP Baltic Cup 2011
29 152.48 Christina GAO GP Cup of China 2011 (151.09, 7th at Jr Worlds)
30 151.91 Courtney HICKS JGP Brisbane 2011

Wow! one third of the top 30 ladies are US skaters. I am mightily proud of them. Way to go, girls!! :lol: