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DORISPULASKI
02-25-2012, 04:22 PM
All that does is tell me that the top ladies better watch out when the next crop of juniors hits the senior ladies scene. Several of the young Russian ladies also have correct flips and correct lutzes.

I refuse to think that to be a "top lady" one must either lip, flutz, or be incompetent at one or more of the other triple jumps, minus the axel.

That is not true of the juniors, nor was it true of top ladies in the past.

RD
02-25-2012, 04:23 PM
Well, this is understandable since they came up under the new rules that penalize such faults...right?

Vagabond
02-25-2012, 04:27 PM
Um. Zawadzki isn't going to Worlds AFAIK.

:duh:

pinky166
02-25-2012, 04:33 PM
Does anyone think Gao or Lam can medal at JW? Slash where do people think they'll place? Lam did beat Li at one of her JGPs and Li almost beat Sotnikova at the YOG (did beat her in the FS), and if Gao can hit her 3-3 in the SP and then skate like she did at Nationals in the FS, I can see her beating the likes of Shelepen and Sotnikova if Sotnikova has an off-night like she seems to have a lot of this season. Idk. Thoughts? My guess is Christina will probably end up 4th or 5th and Lam maybe 6th-10th.

sk9tingfan
02-25-2012, 04:44 PM
Does anyone think Gao or Lam can medal at JW? .

Christina seems to be, relatively speaking, in somewhat of a rut, if Nationals is any indication. My guess is that her growth spurt has really affected the consistency of her jumps. I wonder if it will take one more year for her to accomodate and start to reach her full potential. Thoughts?

pinky166
02-25-2012, 04:51 PM
Christina seems to be, relatively speaking, in somewhat of a rut, if Nationals is any indication. My guess is that her growth spurt has really affected the consistency of her jumps. I wonder if it will take one more year for her to accomodate and start to reach her full potential. Thoughts?

Christina scored 111+ for her FS at US nats after completely missing her intended 3-jump combo when she messily doubled the salchow that was supposed to be the first jump in the combination. I wouldn't call that a rut, I mean she hit her 3f-3t beautifully in the FS and her 2a seems a little better. And her FS score and components (56+) were quite good. She was struggling earlier in the season because she couldn't jump all summer due to a hip injury and then had a virus later on in the season. If nationals is any indication, she is back on track. And switching back to her old SP was a good move IMO, the Celine Dion one did not work for her. Did people really think she skated poorly at nats? I found her FS there to be a bit of a triumph after her rough fall season.

Chris_E
02-25-2012, 04:59 PM
There have been ladies with both clean lutzes and flips in the recent past:
A healthy Kostner
Rochette
Emily Hughes
Agnes Zawadzki, I believe, at present

And that's right off the top of my head.

I know. I was mostly thinking of the top ladies this season. Not claiming it is isn't possible, just that it won't really factor at this years worlds.

smarts1
02-25-2012, 05:14 PM
^Lu Chen? Kerrigan? Baiul? Bonaly?

Some people would argue Lulu had a slight lip, but I never saw it.

Kerrigan and Baiul both had lips.

Bonaly had correct edges on her lutzes and flips, much to the surprise of many people's criticisms about her skating, lol. Although she did very rarely lip, but most of the time her flips were on the right edge.

smarts1
02-25-2012, 05:15 PM
There have been ladies with both clean lutzes and flips in the recent past:
A healthy Kostner
Rochette
Emily Hughes
Agnes Zawadzki, I believe, at present

And that's right off the top of my head.

Agnes??? Since when does she not have a lip?

smarts1
02-25-2012, 05:18 PM
Not to mention Gracie Gold, who has not only done both clean lutz & flip, but 3lz3t and 3F3t at least twice this season.

And, lest we forget, Rachael Flatt managed a clean 3Lz and a clean 3F combination at Nationals.

So it is not impossible for US ladies to do jumps off correct edges.

Rachael, of course, is done for the season, but Gracie still has Junior Worlds.

And, again, not to mention Tonya Harding and Kristi Yamaguchi.

Kristi had a minor flutz.

martyross
02-25-2012, 06:40 PM
Coooool.......

http://figureskatingprobs.tumblr.com/post/18161713588

via @JessicaCalalang on Twitter.

martyross
02-25-2012, 09:20 PM
Ashley doing the "Skater Says" game during 4CC zamboni time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5W3gQ5vPhE

fan5
02-25-2012, 10:13 PM
thanks, nice find. Philip Mills is a ballet choreographer, right? here's a clip of Ashley working on the program with him http://youtu.be/-8A2nfgXrEU?t=4m13s

Yes, I believe Phillip Mills went from being a gymnast to a ballet dancer (trained at the ABT) and then got into figure skating choreography when his wife a former ballerina was asked to choreograph ballet moves for skaters.

Nice video of how they work together on the Black Swan program. It's cute at the end too when they get back to the room to find the dog had chewed her friend's sneaker. I think maybe the dog first wants them to throw it (my black lab would), then realizes uh-oh.

smarts1
02-25-2012, 11:11 PM
Has anyone seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnoKrLokDEs&feature=related

Her spins are amazing! They're almost as fast as Lipnitskaia's!

The jumps, though need a little bit of work...

Sylvia
02-25-2012, 11:18 PM
Has anyone seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnoKrLokDEs&feature=related

12-year-old Novice champ Karen Chen's SP from 2012 Nationals, plus photos from San Jose, are also posted on her personal web site: http://gokarenchen.wordpress.com/