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iarispiralllyof
01-29-2012, 03:30 PM
I was joking lol, I loved her arm movements during her spiral sequence

Stephanie
01-29-2012, 03:49 PM
On the developmental side, I think Keiser, Long, and Mariah Bell deserve assignments to spring internationals like Gardena or Challenge Cup in the Netherlands to set them up for the JGP next year. Here's hoping! :)

bek
01-29-2012, 03:52 PM
We don't know how the Russian girls will do once they fully come up to seniors. Liza is doing fine, but Russian nationals was not good for her and neither was the Grand Prix Final (to a certain extent). Adelina has struggled a lot this season on the Grand Prix.


We don't know how the Russian girls will do, but they have enough really good girls that one or two is going to break through. Polina K just did a 7 triple program with a 3flip/3toe in qualifying and the long program at Europeans. Now she had trouble with her short program, but given how good her jump technique is I think its a matter of time before she sorts that out. And she's a lovely balletic skater reminiscent of Alissa. She continues to skate well; her PCS are going to skyrocket. I think she could end up on the world podium, if she has a clean short.

I think that Adelina, Tukt, Polina K, and Julia all have the talent to be World and Olympic champions. And they have other young girls who they can place after Sochi too. Its just a really good position to be in if your the Russian Federation. Not to mention having to compete against each other is going to weed out the headcases.

Subway
01-29-2012, 03:56 PM
It's not a good sign that halfway to Sochi that our top skaters are holdovers from the last Olympics except for Agnes. Where are the new stars replacing these mediocre skaters who haven't gotten it done internationally for the last 4-5 years? Next year will be do or die for US skating heading into Sochi. I hope Gracie has some big shoulders to handle the pressure that will be building. Mirai should be one of the new stars but it's not happening.

Isn't there a way for her to relocated closer to her training center?

Jammers
01-29-2012, 03:57 PM
We don't know how the Russian girls will do once they fully come up to seniors. Liza is doing fine, but Russian nationals was not good for her and neither was the Grand Prix Final (to a certain extent). Adelina has struggled a lot this season on the Grand Prix.

And I don't know how you say the US ladies haven't got much better. Caroline overhauled all of her jumping technique and she now has another pewter medal to show for it. Ashley is getting more consistent and confident on her jumping ability. Alissa reestablished herself last year after having some disastrous performances in the past. The only skaters who have stagnated are Christina, Mirai (if we can be as nice as calling it "stagnated" as opposed to falling behind), and Agnes (who is another heacase). Of course, you might not be happy with the improvements some of these skaters have made, but they have made visible improvements nonetheless.

But i don't see Caroline ever being on a World podium even if she makes the team and Ashley is maybe a top 6 finisher at Worlds if she gets some help from the other skaters which isn't saying a lot about the current US champ. As for Alissa she could medal at Worlds but how is she going to hold up next year when a lot of the other skaters are doing 3-3's plus she's still very fragile and not getting any younger. All in all a very pedestrian group of skaters.

darkblue
01-29-2012, 03:59 PM
okay was anyone else appalled by Sandra and Scott's comments during some of these ladies performances???

judgejudy27
01-29-2012, 04:01 PM
But i don't see Caroline ever being on a World podium even if she makes the team and Ashley is maybe a top 6 finisher at Worlds if she gets some help from the other skaters which isn't saying a lot bout the current US champ. As for Alissa she could medal at Worlds but how is going to hold up next year when a lot of the other skaters are doing 3-3's?

True. I dont see any of those skaters as podium material at Worlds, other than maybe Czisny this year, but she wont be in future years unless she ups her jumping considerably. The U.S's best hope for 2014 would be Gracie Gold if she develops properly, Nagasu if she somehow gets her act together (not holding my breath on that), or Agnes if she keeps developing and gets over her apparent problem with nerves. Ideally atleast 1 or 2 of those will be on the 2014 team and contending for a medal if all goes well. I would like to see Czisny or/and Wagner make the Olympic team, but only as the 2nd or 3rd American, I definitely wouldnt want one of those as the U.S #1 for Sochi as it is almost a guaranteed no medal situation.

Vagabond
01-29-2012, 04:07 PM
No 4CC for Alissa...smart move on her part!

I don't know about that. Without Kostner and the Russians, this might have been her best opportunity to earn a medal at an ISU championship.

Coco
01-29-2012, 04:08 PM
That's a really nice quote from Ashley about getting 3 spots back. That will go over well with sportswriters, too. I can remember even the "nice" writers like Helene Elliot and Jo-Anne Barnes were really put off by the way Alissa dealt with that topic.

That said, I haven't looked at the protocols, but it appeared she two footed more than one triple last night. I think I saw three 2ft landings. She needs to realize that at 4ccs, it's far better to rotate to a one foot landing and fall than to have any more 2fts at this point. She needs to get the perception of her as the "US Skater with bad triples" out of the judges minds. They won't be fooled by the scores from Nationals, they'll see the tape.

Caroline - so happy for her that she'll get some funding and a trip to 4CCs. She does still have a lot of work to do, but great to get some rewards and validation along the way! Now, if only someone could see that she's properly dressed in Colorado Springs, please! Even Mira Leung was appalled :)

Mirai, Mirai, Mirai...find something that makes you happy. (When I was typing that, I first wrote "happen" instead of happy. Freudian slip? ha!)

Jammers
01-29-2012, 04:15 PM
Unless Mirai is willing to work her butt off like Alissa and Caroline did and address her issues she will continue to sink in the standings. Mirai has less issues to work on then Caroline did at least technically so there's no excuse. As for nerves if Alissa can become a fighter anyone can. No more excuses.

berthesghost
01-29-2012, 04:17 PM
okay was anyone else appalled by Sandra and Scott's comments during some of these ladies performances???I'm always appalled by them :lol:
Anything in particular?

iarispiralllyof
01-29-2012, 04:35 PM
maybe I'm imagining things, but I remember scott saying during rachael's skate that her attending stanford as an engineering student has an impact since this is a judged sport....what in the world does that mean?

I mean obviously being a full time student minimizes her training time, but it sounded like he was saying the judges would take it into consideration when scoring her lol

pinky166
01-29-2012, 04:39 PM
No 4CC for Alissa...smart move on her part! What a great experience for Agnes, it being in Colorado!

http://www.usfsa.org/Story.asp?id=47717&type=media

Happy with the teams though I do wonder if Wang should of been named to the JW team instead of Lam considering she did place higher here, and beat both Vanessa and Christina in the FS. I get that Lam has more international experience and has been well received by the international judges, but I'm still a little bummed that Angela only managed the be 3rd alternate after that great FS she put out last night. Still I think the JW team is very strong and I like the 4CC team too, great experience for Agnes and Caroline.

mkats
01-29-2012, 04:41 PM
okay was anyone else appalled by Sandra and Scott's comments during some of these ladies performances???

Not appalled, but I was a little amused when they listed all the members of Agnes's family by full name :lol:

Sasha'sSpins
01-29-2012, 04:47 PM
It's not a good sign that halfway to Sochi that our top skaters are holdovers from the last Olympics except for Agnes. Where are the new stars replacing these mediocre skaters who haven't gotten it done internationally for the last 4-5 years? Next year will be do or die for US skating heading into Sochi. I hope Gracie has some big shoulders to handle the pressure that will be building.

Mirai is not mediocre. And she's only 18. She's a talented skater who hasn't been able to get it together since 2010. It doesn't mean she won't before the Olympics. It ain't over til it's over. Others have proven it's possible to come roaring back and Nagasu could do it too. It's still 2 years to Sochi.


Yes the holdovers from 2010 were young but most of them are not getting any better. At least not good enough. They have some good competitions but are not reliable and even at their best i don't see them being on top of World podiums. After this year it all changes with the Russian girls coming up to Seniors.

Like Gracie, the new Russian stars are human. Anything can happen between now and next year. I hope they all step up to the plate but I don't like how some seem to think these youngsters are invincible and will win it all. That's alot to put on the shoulders of a teenager. Mirai has suffered from this imo. Everyone's expectations of hers seems to be higher than other less talented skaters. She did great in 2008 then faltered in 2009. She sparkled in 2010 and has been in a slump since. There's still time for her to get it together although the clock is ticking.


okay was anyone else appalled by Sandra and Scott's comments during some of these ladies performances???

I always am. I'm used to it. :rolleyes: