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Marco
01-12-2012, 01:57 PM
I loved Malinina, but that kitsch Alladin program wasn't worthy of an 11 year old novice, let alone a 26 year old senior skater.

True, but Soldatova's programs weren't exactly masterpieces either.

Here is how I would call it:

1999 Worlds:

Ladies sp:

1. Bute
2. Gusmeroli
3. Rechnio
4. Kwan
5. Malinina
6. Liashenko
7. Soldatova

Ladies lp:

1. Bute
2. Kwan
3. Malinina
4. Gusmeroli
5. Rechnio
6. Liashenko
7. Soldatova

essence_of_soy
01-12-2012, 02:20 PM
True, but Soldatova's programs weren't exactly masterpieces either.

Here is how I would call it:

1999 Worlds:

Ladies sp:

7. Soldatova

Ladies lp:

7. Soldatova

Ouch! You really weren't a fan of Soldatova.

gkelly
01-12-2012, 03:47 PM
She made the Russian team only since Slutskaya was in a major slump and Slutskaya and Sokolova were both out of favor with the federation for whatever reason around then.

The Russian world team only once (1999).

She was sent to Europeans in 1998, having beaten both Slutskaya and Sokolova at Russian Nationals that year, but since both of those skaters had qualified for the Champions Series Final (and Slutskaya medaled at Euros), they ended up being sent to Olympics and Worlds and Soldatova ended her season at Euros (having won Jr. Worlds in December).

Marco
01-12-2012, 04:04 PM
IIRC, going into the Olympic season Butyrskaya and Slutskaya were already pretty much sure-ins given their Worlds placements in 1996 and 1997. Butyrskaya's Nationals and Euros win that season sealed it for her. Slutskaya bombed (for her) at Nationals but medalled at Euros and GPF and so also got the green light.

For that last spot, Soldatova beat Sokolova at Russian Nationals, but Sokolova beat Soldatova in the free skate. Soldatova won JGPF that season but Euros was her only senior international competition, which she only placed 7th. Sokolova on the other hand was in her second senior GP season and actually made the GPF. Ultimately, I think the Rus Fed made a conscious decision that since neither was going to be a threat for an Olympic medal anyway, might as well go with the prettier one. :D

briancoogaert
01-12-2012, 04:05 PM
Ouch! You really weren't a fan of Soldatova.
LOL, 7th is a bit harsh, but at least, I agree that I suspect political support to win that bronze medal. IMO, Vanessa Gusmeroli was better in the SP and in the LP.
What bothers me the most, is that she had marks between 5.5 and 5.8 for artistic impression in 1999, then between 4.3 and 5.0 in Salt Lake City (2002).
IMO, her overall skating was the same in 1999 and 2002, she was just less consistent in the jump department, and from Belarus.
For the same mistake, Irina Slutskaya (also former bronze medal at Worlds) had between 5.2 and 5.7 in Nagano.
I don't know.

Marco
01-12-2012, 04:08 PM
Ouch! You really weren't a fan of Soldatova.

IMO those skaters whom I placed ahead of her were just better, all things considered. She was just mediocre all the way through, kind of like an earlier version of a recent US skater who shall not be named. :shuffle:

judgejudy27
01-12-2012, 04:11 PM
Gusmeroli did not deserve a medal at the 1999 Worlds. Her jumps were weak, especialy in the long program.

Kwan was also majorly held up in the SP at the 1999 Worlds and deserved 7th or 8th in that phase.

The podium after Butyrskaya probably should have been some combination of Rechnio, Malinina, and Soldatova.

briancoogaert
01-12-2012, 04:20 PM
Gusmeroli did not deserve a medal at the 1999 Worlds. Her jumps were weak, especialy in the long program.

Kwan was also majorly held up in the SP at the 1999 Worlds and deserved 7th or 8th in that phase.

The podium after Butyrskaya probably should have been some combination of Rechnio, Malinina, and Soldatova.
A fall on a single element was .3 to .5 deduction. MK received marks between 5.1 and 5.5 for technical merit in the SP : that was marked fairly.

Jarrett
01-12-2012, 07:03 PM
A fall on a single element was .3 to .5 deduction. MK received marks between 5.1 and 5.5 for technical merit in the SP : that was marked fairly.

I dunno, I'm a fan of Michelle and even I think she was overmarked in the SP. :shuffle: She completely went splat on the axel, the landing of the lutz was questionable, she did the easiest solo triple, spins were slower than usual. The performance (like the her entire competition) was a little off and I am not sure she deserved the 5.8 5.8 5.9 5.9 5.8 5.8 5.6 5.9 5.9 presentation marks for Fate of Carmen. That said I don't remember the other skaters so I don't know if any should have placed ahead of her.

David21
01-12-2012, 07:15 PM
A fall on a single element was .3 to .5 deduction. MK received marks between 5.1 and 5.5 for technical merit in the SP : that was marked fairly.


How can a 5.5 be fair when she fell on the double axel, had a shaky lutz combo and did only a triple toe as solo jump? That's mathematically not possible. :P

I was rewatching Worlds 99 the other day and I found Kwan's skating very lacklustre in that whole competition. Malinina, Rechnio and Gusmeroli (not to mention Butyrskaya of course) were all better than her IMO. Soldatova only in the SP, though.

fenway2
01-12-2012, 07:44 PM
Malinina likely lost a medal in the short program where I thought she deserved to beat Kwan in that segment.

eurodance2001
01-12-2012, 10:05 PM
How can a 5.5 be fair when she fell on the double axel, had a shaky lutz combo and did only a triple toe as solo jump? That's mathematically not possible. :P

I was rewatching Worlds 99 the other day and I found Kwan's skating very lacklustre in that whole competition. Malinina, Rechnio and Gusmeroli (not to mention Butyrskaya of course) were all better than her IMO. Soldatova only in the SP, though.

Well to make note, Michelle had been sick with a bad cold/respiratory issues right before Worlds and was still suffering from the effects of that. So none of her skates really had that extra spark..

judgejudy27
01-12-2012, 10:31 PM
A fall on a single element was .3 to .5 deduction. MK received marks between 5.1 and 5.5 for technical merit in the SP : that was marked fairly.

A fall was a minimum .4 deduction. Kwan also barely held onto a shaky triple lutz combo, did only a triple toe, had a weak and ugly layback. A first mark of 5.4 or heaven forbid 5.5 was a total joke. The fall was disrupting to the program so the numerous 5.9s for presentation were also wrong.

Others like Rechnio, Liashenko, Poth were undermarked.

Even U.S reporters all agreed at the time Kwan was held up in the short program.

Jarrett
01-12-2012, 10:36 PM
Well to make note, Michelle had been sick with a bad cold/respiratory issues right before Worlds and was still suffering from the effects of that. So none of her skates really had that extra spark..

I agree that was the problem. Although by the exhibition she looked a bit better and did a great the red violin program.

gkelly
01-12-2012, 11:28 PM
A fall on a single element was .3 to .5 deduction.


A fall was a minimum .4 deduction.

Under the rules in effect in 1999 (http://ww2.isu.org/news/980.html), the deduction for a fall on a solo jump was exactly 0.4. Not minimum and maximum -- that was the deduction.

Now, of course, the judges were free to set the base mark for the program as a whole wherever they wanted to, up to 6.0. So the maximum score for required elements would be 5.6 if there was a fall on a solo jump and no other mandatory deductions.

Within those parameters, there's room for disagreement.