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Triple Butz
01-11-2012, 12:58 AM
According to this: http://heatherw.com/mk/jump/bytriples.htm
Michelle Kwan landed 6 or more triples 42 times during her career. The only discrepancy I have with the list is that at 94 GWG Kwan landed 7 triples, not 6. (see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDQpZjkVUvU)

So that's 12 7-triple programs and 30 6-triple programs.

Triple Butz
01-11-2012, 12:59 AM
Zayak did 7 triples in several programs, in the 1980/82 period.

I don't think Elaine ever landed all 7 cleanly. She did several 6-triple programs, though, most notably when she won the WC.

iarispiralllyof
01-11-2012, 01:04 AM
If we excluded programs with wrong edges on lutzes on flips Kwan wouldn't make the list. Sarah wouldn't make it either since her jumps were severely underrotated.

Cohen did clean seven triples at 2003 Worlds QR and 2004 Marshall's Challenge.

Arakawa did clean seven triples at 2004 Worlds.


since when did cohen not flutz

and shizuka DID underrotate one of her triple-triple combos in her 2004 worlds lp

Triple Butz
01-11-2012, 01:23 AM
since when did cohen not flutz

and shizuka DID underrotate one of her triple-triple combos in her 2004 worlds lp
And Shizuka had a pretty heavy lip.

If you're going for 100% correct technique on jumps, this is probably the best example of a 7-triple program:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8va2i2vENw

It's hard to see from that angle, but I do think she was able to keep her free foot off the ice on the second 3t.

VIETgrlTerifa
01-11-2012, 01:29 AM
If we excluded programs with wrong edges on lutzes on flips Kwan wouldn't make the list. Sarah wouldn't make it either since her jumps were severely underrotated.

Cohen did clean seven triples at 2003 Worlds QR and 2004 Marshall's Challenge.

Arakawa did clean seven triples at 2004 Worlds.

Meissner at 2006 Worlds but she had lip and underrotated triple-triples. She did it also on a few other occasions.

Slutskaya did A LOT of 7 and 6 triples programs throughout her long career. Off the top of my head:

1996 Euros (6 triples)
1997 Worlds (6 triples with 3S+3Lo)
1999-2000 GPF 1st FS (6 triples)
1999-2000 GPF 2nd FS (7 triples with 3Lz+3Lo and 3S+3Lo)
2000 Euros (6 triples)
2001 Goodwill Games (6 triples with 3S+3Lo and doubled 3Lz)
2002-2003 GPF 1st FS (6 triples)
2000-2001 Nationals (7 triples with 3Lz+3Lo)
2004 Marshall's Challenge (6 triples)
2005 Worlds (7 triples with 3Lz+3Lo)
2004 Marshall's World Cup (6 triples)
2005 CoR (7 triples with 3S+3Lo+2T)

I like how you put the disclaimer against Kwan, but then proceed to list Cohen who has an even worse flutz than Kwan could ever muster (some say it's Bobek-esque). Slute's lutz is also like Kwan's in that she tended to lean over to the inside edge right before take-off. Granted her lutz might be more correct than Kwan's but it's hardly textbook outside edge. We tend to have ladies skaters who either lip or flutz. Rochette has correct take-offs due to her cleaning up her technique, but who else in recent years has had consistently correct take-offs and was able to cleanly land 6-7 triples (with both a flip and a lutz)?

Triple Butz
01-11-2012, 01:32 AM
but who else in recent years has had consistently correct take-offs and was able to cleanly land 6-7 triples (with both a flip and a lutz)?

Flatt!

bartek
01-11-2012, 01:38 AM
I like how you put the disclaimer against Kwan, but then proceed to list Cohen who has an even worse flutz than Kwan could ever muster (some say it's Bobek-esque). Slute's lutz is also like Kwan's in that she tended to lean over to the inside edge right before take-off. Granted her lutz might be more correct than Kwan's but it's hardly textbook outside edge. We tend to have ladies skaters who either lip or flutz. Rochette has correct take-offs due to her cleaning up her technique, but who else in recent years has had consistently correct take-offs and was able to cleanly land 6-7 triples (with both a flip and a lutz)?

You misunderstood me. I mentioned Kwan flutz IN ORDER to mention Cohen, Arakawa and Meissner because I knew that if had mentioned one of them without mentioning Kwan's flutz someone certainly would've said that Cohen flutzed and/or Arakawa/Meissner liped so they shouldn't be counted here at all. I wanted to have a response before people pointed out Cohen's flutz or Arakawa/Meissner's lip. My response is - Kwan flutzed throughout her whole career so if she can be counted here, Cohen, Arakawa and Meissner can be counted too.

iarispiralllyof
01-11-2012, 01:43 AM
Flatt!


What would you say was her best performance? I really want to give her a chance. I really want to like her. I just..don't like anything about her skating.

AxelAnnie
01-11-2012, 02:04 AM
There are so many ways to look at this.

If you look at number of planned triples v. executed per program......I bet Tara would be right up there. For the most part when she planned a program, she executed it.

Just raw numbers, I would assume Michell and Irina would top the list.

Triple Butz
01-11-2012, 05:22 AM
What would you say was her best performance? I really want to give her a chance. I really want to like her. I just..don't like anything about her skating.

Oh, I don't care for her skating, either. I was just pointing out that she got a true lutz (even if the entry is not pleasant looking) at some point in 2009 and got several 6-7 triple long programs in with it. Still, I think her best ever performance was at the World Jr Championships in 2008 when she won.

I think it's interesting that CoP's intentions with the "e" mark were to get skaters to learn the correct entries, however, 99% of the skaters either chose to skip whichever (flip or lutz) jump they had an edge problem with. Flatt is the 1% who actually fixed hers. Miki had the flip in for a while, but then relegated it to the sp only before dumping it entirely. Rochette began reworking hers in 03/04 before CoP. Anyone else?

AznSkateFan
01-11-2012, 05:36 AM
I think it's interesting that CoP's intentions with the "e" mark were to get skaters to learn the correct entries, however, 99% of the skaters either chose to skip whichever (flip or lutz) jump they had an edge problem with. Flatt is the 1% who actually fixed hers. Miki had the flip in for a while, but then relegated it to the sp only before dumping it entirely. Rochette began reworking hers in 03/04 before CoP. Anyone else?

Once Miki fixed her lip it become less consistent, and as a result starting doing the loop in her SP (very smart). Supposedly Alissa's flip is on a better edge now, but it was hard to tell from the angle when she did it at TEB.

BmcC102
01-11-2012, 06:11 AM
Tara Lipinski also landed 6 or 7 triples in her LP quite often (although like so many others on here, she did have a flutz):

1995 US Nationals, Jr div. LP: 6 triples (two loops, two salchows, one toe-loop, one flip-- her first in competition, and late in the program)
1996 Jr. Worlds LP: 6 triples (two loops, two salchows, one toe-loop, one lutz/flutz, fell on flip though)
1996 U.S. Nationals LP: 6 triples (fell and under-rotated on attempted 7th triple, a loop in 2nd half of 3s-3lp)
1996 Worlds QR ? (she was 2nd in her group, only beaten by Midori Ito)
1996 Worlds LP: 7 triples

1996 Skate Canada LP: 6 triples (step out on 3 flip)
1997 US Nationals LP: 7 triples (including 3lp-3lp)
1996/1997 Champion Series Final (now the GPF) LP: 7 triples (but opened up on one of her 2x)
1997 Worlds QR: no idea, but I think she was clean, she did the 3lp/3lp for sure
1997 Worlds LP: 7 triples
1997 Hershey Kisses Pro-Am LP: 7 triples

1997 Skate America LP: 6 triples (fall on lutz, extra steps between 3t-3s sequence)
1997/1998 Champion Series Final LP: 7 triples
1998 US Nationals LP: 6 clean triples (obviously under-rotated loop on back half of 3-3)
1998 Olympics LP: 7 triples

Like Kwan, a "bad" skate from her usually still had about 5 triples. :)

gkelly
01-11-2012, 03:47 PM
I think it's interesting that CoP's intentions with the "e" mark were to get skaters to learn the correct entries,

I think it's really hard for skaters to relearn a jump by the time they get to senior level. Kudos to those who do.

Maybe the intention was, at least in part, to encourage skaters coming up the ranks to learn the jump correctly in the first place rather than rushing to get a flawed version as soon as possible and then have to correct it (or live with the flaw forever).

But rather than intending to produce certain behavior on the part of the skaters, I'd say it's more likely that the intention was to reward skaters who execute the jumps with correct technique (or penalize those who make technical errors, whichever way you want to think about it).

Knowing what the rewards/penalties will be, the skaters have more than one choice about how to plan their training and programs to take that into account.

briancoogaert
01-11-2012, 03:53 PM
I think it's really hard for skaters to relearn a jump by the time they get to senior level. Kudos to those who do.
That's why I'm really surprise at kids and junior skaters.
At my rink, there are some young skaters (12 y.o.) who Flutz so badly on double jumps. But the coach never says anything.

kukkura
01-11-2012, 05:13 PM
This flutz/lip discussion feels a little irrelevant here. If we're including Zayak programs with four triple toes, then we should include (cleanly landed) flutzes and lips too - they are still triples, right?

Six clean triple programs are too numerous to mention, even Kiira Korpi can manage that. If you don't believe me, here's one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVcgAQBWJnY