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Slowdive
01-06-2012, 01:20 AM
Inspired by the 'layback position' thread I was curious to see what ladies skaters had great spirals - amateur, pro & retired skaters. Also if anyone has vid clips or photos to share.
Some of the skaters for me that come to find include U.S. skaters: Kwan, Cohen & Bobek.
Who else?

iarispiralllyof
01-06-2012, 01:45 AM
spirals are my favorite moves in figure skating

for me, the best (for very different reasons) are sasha cohen's and michelle kwan's

some other skaters with great spirals/spiral sequences are mao asada, alissa czisny, mirai nagasu, caroline zhang and nicole bobek

for sheer flexibility and toe point, sasha takes the cake..although the security of her edges aren't the best nor is her speed. she also gets really wobbly when she tries to change edge
however, if you judge solely by pictures, sasha's spirals are the most exquisite, and very balletic

many in the second group have great flexibility and stretch. I have to say I dislike it when they place their heads too low in the arabesque...also sometimes the stretch or flexibility might be on but the edge isn't very deep.

michelle's change of edge spiral is probably my favorite individual spiral move overall. she has not only great stretch but amazing security AND complexity of edge, power and speed! not to mention how much she emotes during her spiral. I also think she's done some interesting variations on her arabesque, such as her backwards arabesque that usually ends in a twirl where she guides the ice with her hand and head close to the ice (she's ended her charlotte spirals like this too). she can take her spiral around the entire rink and back, in an s shape or a simple curve.
oh and on top of that she has insaaaaaaaane lean on her inside arabesque spiral

as a last note..I also liked irina slutskaya's biellman spiral

iarispiralllyof
01-06-2012, 02:07 AM
I've linked to the spiral parts of the videos. these are a few of michelle's that I like..I can't possibly remember them all off the top of my head

michelle does an amazing spiral here that seems to go in an s shape and it covers the entire rink..and then she's able to take it back for a return journey without it lagging to a stop and keeps her leg up!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzNSWwbZ1fs#t=2m50s
the speed, power, extension, security of edge and ice coverage. it's the whole package, although it's not quite as stretched (nor is her toe quite as pointed) as sasha's, but overall it's the best

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr01qTQ1_FI#t=3m30s
here she does a backwards spiral yet still exhibits amazing control of her edge (and lean towards the end) and does that distinctive michelle move where she twirls to a stop with her head and hand near the ice

here she does that same michelle move with a charlotte:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqVXK8xdpV0#t=3m46s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR4VtmHh0Wc#t=3m56s
love the angle here, and look at the lean of the body!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptj_tO7tIXg#t=4m45s
VERY fast and dangerous charlotte :o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYetjzfi3ac#t=3m23s
crazy speed!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T50xiHVKtU0#t=2m47s
michelle sometimes changed up her spiral positions here and there (as opposed to her usual COE, then kerrigan spiral)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqVXK8xdpV0#t=2m46s
the FREENESS of her spirals is just amazing. and her arabesque really does travel in a true spiral

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrDBGtP7O94#t=2m30s
the JOY on her face

Karpenko
01-06-2012, 03:01 AM
Sasha Cohen and Michelle Kwan. We were ridiculously spoiled by their spirals, nobody out there has come close since and I doubt many ever will.

orbitz
01-06-2012, 03:48 AM
Michelle's placement of her spiral in her Spartacus SP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GfoX6o-0U0&feature=player_detailpage#t=138s) is my favorite. She hits the position right on the crescendo of the music. Goosebumps.

IceAlisa
01-06-2012, 03:54 AM
Cohen, by far. Esthetically it's gorgeous to behold. Kwan's had a great IE but Cohen's is incredibly striking and has lovely lines. I am all about lines being a ballet uber and Cohen's are the best in that respect. Her OE lean was excellent as well.

Why don't skaters point their toes and stretch these days? COP doesn't reward it?

Triple Butz
01-06-2012, 03:58 AM
I think Michelle's are the best ever, mostly because the edge control is unmatched, but there have been several beautiful ones:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwnSWWnOFH0#t=3m39s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymCT0pT6WBQ&feature=related#t=4m07s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmyUwtmch9w#t=1m53s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtNTyUG0DTE#t=1m05s

Triple Butz
01-06-2012, 04:01 AM
Michelle's placement of her spiral in her Spartacus SP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GfoX6o-0U0&feature=player_detailpage#t=138s) is my favorite. She hits the position right on the crescendo of the music. Goosebumps.

Just a pet peeve of mine, but a crescendo is the process of getting louder, not the highlight or musical climax. The actual crescendo is what happens before the climax. When Michelle hits her spiral in that clip, the orchestra has already arrived at a strong, stable dynamic.

MR-FAN
01-06-2012, 04:48 AM
I too think when looking at all the criteria defining a beautiful spiral sequence (free leg extension, depth of edge, turn out of the free foot, toe point, ease and effortlessness of the change of edge (if there is one), speed throughout and back position, Michelle is the queen of the spiral sequence. She simply has no weakness in her spiral sequence!

- Sasha has perfect extension and the back position, but not the deepest of edges or that secure change of edge.
- Kostner (whose spiral sequences I love) has terrific speed and depth of edge, but doesn't have the seamless change of edge or extension.
- I love the extension and back position of Mao and Mirai's spirals, but they're quite slow.
- YuNa's spirals are fast but she has poor free foot position and extension,
- Bobek has gorgeous spiral positions (free foot and back positions), and a deep (but not the most secure) edge. Has she ever done a change of edge spiral?

There's a reason why michelle's spiral sequence is her trade mark and, to quote Dick, one of the iconic moves in skating

zilam98
01-06-2012, 05:01 AM
I've linked to the spiral parts of the videos. these are a few of michelle's that I like..I can't possibly remember them all off the top of my head

michelle does an amazing spiral here that seems to go in an s shape and it covers the entire rink..and then she's able to take it back for a return journey without it lagging to a stop and keeps her leg up!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzNSWwbZ1fs#t=2m50s
the speed, power, extension, security of edge and ice coverage. it's the whole package, although it's not quite as stretched (nor is her toe quite as pointed) as sasha's, but overall it's the best

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr01qTQ1_FI#t=3m30s
here she does a backwards spiral yet still exhibits amazing control of her edge (and lean towards the end) and does that distinctive michelle move where she twirls to a stop with her head and hand near the ice

here she does that same michelle move with a charlotte:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqVXK8xdpV0#t=3m46s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR4VtmHh0Wc#t=3m56s
love the angle here, and look at the lean of the body!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptj_tO7tIXg#t=4m45s
VERY fast and dangerous charlotte :o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYetjzfi3ac#t=3m23s
crazy speed!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T50xiHVKtU0#t=2m47s
michelle sometimes changed up her spiral positions here and there (as opposed to her usual COE, then kerrigan spiral)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqVXK8xdpV0#t=2m46s
the FREENESS of her spirals is just amazing. and her arabesque really does travel in a true spiral

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrDBGtP7O94#t=2m30s
the JOY on her face

i love how you put the links at where the referenced element is shown. i've noticed other posters do that too. how do you do that?

iarispiralllyof
01-06-2012, 05:03 AM
i love how you put the links at where the referenced element is shown. i've noticed other posters do that too. how do you do that?

hi,
it's a simple code
you take the link of a youtube video, and then you add this at the end:
#t=XmYs
then you plug in numbers where x and y are (x for minutes, y for seconds)

falling_dance
01-06-2012, 05:14 AM
two excellent "old school" spirals:

Dorothy Hamill at the 1984 World Pros (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjckqXkGUGE&t=1m9s)

Yuka Sato at 1995 World Pros (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8mJNtzgmVk&t=2m27s)

BigB08822
01-06-2012, 05:18 AM
Michelle Kwan is obviously way up there but I always loved Nicole Bobek's, too. Her position was amazing and she usually was flying across the ice.

Marco
01-06-2012, 06:37 AM
Position: Cohen

Speed: Kostner

Overeall: Kwan

Nomad
01-06-2012, 06:42 AM
Naaaah, Surya Bonaly all the way.