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overedge
12-21-2011, 10:48 PM
I guess movie stars don't have to go to class like the rest of us...

http://insidemovies.ew.com/2011/12/19/james-franco-nyu-lawsuit/

BigB08822
12-21-2011, 11:13 PM
I find it amazing someone can attend a class only 2 or 3 times and expect to pass, let alone get a grade that is considered respectable. Does the school have an attendance policy? Some schools do not and some don't even allow the professors to take role and use it against the students. Of course, there are ways around that such as daily pop quizzes. ;)

IceAlisa
12-21-2011, 11:14 PM
If an attendance policy exists, passing that class would be extremely problematic, to say the least. However, what evidence is there that the professor was fired for that reason?

orbitz
12-21-2011, 11:15 PM
Here's a Yale professor defending (http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/culturebox/2011/12/james_franco_at_yale_franco_s_professor_speaks_.ht ml) James after he heard about the 'D'. He does come off as somewhat starstuck in the article though.


As for the professor that got fired, I can't imagine a school would fire him just because he gave a high-profiled student a D. It's not like Jame's grades were public knowledge, so who would have known about it.

maatTheViking
12-21-2011, 11:18 PM
My university did not have attendance taking (except for attend and pass classes), and I had proffessors that were so bad that I studied on my own for that subject. If you are a good book learner, I don't see any reason you can't pass while not attending class. However, you still have to put in the hours ;).

How someone can be fired over grading a single student is really the strange thing. If there really is nothing more to it, then I understand he sues.

IceAlisa
12-21-2011, 11:25 PM
He'd better have a paper trail backing up the claim of firing over the D for Franco.

agalisgv
12-22-2011, 12:27 AM
As for the professor that got fired, I can't imagine a school would fire him just because he gave a high-profiled student a D. It's not like Jame's grades were public knowledge, so who would have known about it. Franco publicly chastised the professor for giving him a bad grade. It was public knowledge because Franco made it that way.

That said, if Franco complained internally about the grade, those in the department would have known, and that's all that would be necessary for the professor to receive retribution (assuming the allegations are accurate).

Prancer
12-22-2011, 12:29 AM
My university did not have attendance taking (except for attend and pass classes), and I had proffessors that were so bad that I studied on my own for that subject. If you are a good book learner, I don't see any reason you can't pass while not attending class.

I think it depends on the subject. If the class is one that goes by the book, that's one thing. But if the class is one that requires a lot of hands-on work, student interaction or group work, that's another.

I'd think Directing would be a hands-on class, but I don't know.

The professor wasn't fired; he was denied reappointment, which means he was probably adjunct faculty. I can see that happening for giving James Franco a D. Adjuncts everywhere are leery of giving any student a poor grade, because grievances and grade challenges often lead to not being hired again.

If I were the professor, however, I'd be worried about being sued myself. He's giving interviews in which he publicly discusses a student's grade.

barbk
12-22-2011, 12:51 AM
I wonder if the professor has ever heard of FERPA? If not, I suspect he's about to get a lesson in it.

Vash01
12-22-2011, 12:52 AM
At one time I was working as an adjunct faculty member. One of the graduate students skipped all but 2-3 classes. He did not submit the homework assignments or projects. He showed up for the final exam and turned in wrong answers. I had no choice but to give him F (very unusual in graduate school). I don't know what happened later; I suspect the regular faculty made some kind of arrangement to give him a B or a C (like take another exam afterwards).

It was only a temporary appointment and I did not try to get a reappointment. It was too much work for very low financial gain. It was not worth my time.

IceAlisa
12-22-2011, 01:42 AM
I wonder if the professor has ever heard of FERPA? If not, I suspect he's about to get a lesson in it.

Is this like HIPAA but for students?

So he wasn't fired, just denied reappointment. Isn't that at the discretion of the department?

Prancer
12-22-2011, 01:46 AM
Is this like HIPAA but for students?

FERPA (http://www2.ed.gov/policy/gen/guid/fpco/ferpa/index.html)


So he wasn't fired, just denied reappointment. Isn't that at the discretion of the department?

Pretty much.

DaveRocks
12-22-2011, 01:48 AM
The instructor clearly isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. :duh:

IceAlisa
12-22-2011, 01:50 AM
Thanks, Prancer. I wonder what this guy's deal is...

GarrAarghHrumph
12-22-2011, 01:50 AM
I'd think Directing would be a hands-on class, but I don't know.

It would be an extremely hands-on class.


If I were the professor, however, I'd be worried about being sued myself. He's giving interviews in which he publicly discusses a student's grade.


I wonder if the professor has ever heard of FERPA? If not, I suspect he's about to get a lesson in it.

If it's true that it's the student that revealed the grade to the public first, can the professor get in trouble for saying what grade the student got? From what I've read, Franco told Showbiz411.com last year what grade he got in this class.