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Rafter
01-24-2012, 07:01 PM
If you recall, V/M didn't have to pay their dues or wait their turn...they shot to the top very quickly. So just because G/P have been together a short time, that doesn't mean they stunk up the ice or didn't deserve their scores. It's not like they came close to beating V/M or W/P.



I know, right? V/M should get all L4's & all +3 GOE's for just stepping out on the ice, every time. Heaven forbid a tech caller should even NOTICE if they screw up or just don't skate brilliantly. And how dare they get a time deduction?

You're missing the point. The point is that V&M are getting higher levels from international tech callers than they are their own. I don't care if they got a time deduction. That is easily fixed. However, their footwork sequences and rot lift in the FD have not changed since the GPF where they received level 4s and yet at their own National Championships they are only getting level 3s. I'm not sure what kind of message is being sent by this.

Gah, I hate it when non-V&M fans post in this thread! :mad:

Rafter
01-24-2012, 07:02 PM
I`ve rewatched gilles and poirier FD and ISU may have found another D&W the poster child for COP all speed and tricks sadly i think international judges will love gilles and poirier as much as the canadian ones Tracy wilson seemed stunned at their scores.

You might be right!!

Rafter
01-24-2012, 07:04 PM
It says to the world that Canada thinks V/M are only 16.48 points better than G/P which is simply outrageous ,and demeaning to V/M.



I completely agree. What also really bothered me was that G&P were only SIX points lower than W&P in the FD. W&P have an amazing FD this year, scored very well at the GPF coming in 4th (one could argue that W&P are the 4th ranked team in the world right now) and yet G&P, a team that's only been together 6 or 7 months is scoring that close to them? It's outrageous and just screams of Skate Canada politiks to me. :rolleyes:

Rafter
01-24-2012, 07:07 PM
Potential yes. But I just don't get such high scores. They look like a good couple for the future but Tessa & Scott are the most natural ice dancers of the past twenty years.
Judges never cease to shock me. Are they watching the same as us?!.

For sure G&P have a lot of potential, it especially really showed through in their SD. But in the FD they were really rough during the footwork sequences, they are not skating that close together and did have some unison breaks. I do think they are a powerful and interesting team but what was that point of those ridiculously high scores?

pani
01-24-2012, 07:10 PM
Rotational lift - 4 turns from Tessa in difficult position + 5 Scott turns - level 3. For level 4 they need difficult exit from this lift. So maybe tech controller at Natioanls think there exit from rotational lift wasnt difficult.


Tessa & Scott are the most natural ice dancers of the past twenty years

I love you :)

Rafter
01-24-2012, 07:13 PM
Rotational lift - 4 turns from Tessa in difficult position + 5 Scott turns - level 3. For level 4 they need difficult exit from this lift. So maybe tech controller at Natioanls think there exit from rotational lift wasnt difficult.


They got level 4 at all their other comps this year. So why only level 3 here?

pani
01-24-2012, 07:41 PM
They got level 4 at all their other comps this year. So why only level 3 here?

Because at Nationals tech. controller think exit wasnt difficult, when all others thought it was really difficult? At first i thought Tessa didnt have enough turns in difficult position, but for me look like she did 4 turns. Maybe i miss something?

Golightly
01-24-2012, 07:54 PM
Like I said, the only issue I saw was that Tessa didn't grab her blade quick enough, but it was a very minor mistake, in fact you can see grabbed it back almost immediately. As for the turns, I didn't notice anything out of order either. Maybe someone with a more technical eye here can tell us where they dropped the level because I cannot see it.

pani
01-24-2012, 08:15 PM
Like I said, the only issue I saw was that Tessa didn't grab her blade quick enough, but it was a very minor mistake, in fact you can see grabbed it back almost immediately. As for the turns, I didn't notice anything out of order either. Maybe someone with a more technical eye here can tell us where they dropped the level because I cannot see it.

I see they both did right numbers of turns and this gave them level 3. So - not difficult exit. I am sure at Nationals coaches and skaters had explanation about there levels and what they need to fix before next competition.

professordeb
01-24-2012, 08:49 PM
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Gah, I hate it when non-V&M fans post in this thread! :mad:
I second that motion and raise it with :revenge:

Golightly
01-24-2012, 09:19 PM
So - not difficult exit.

But... that makes no sense. They've been using the same exit all season long and how is that not difficult enough? Because they make it look easy? She's over his shoulders, legs wrapped around herself and his rotating her very, very fast and oh my god, Tessa must have the strongest legs because to control that movement until he gently puts her back on the ice is NOT easy. I am so confused. I am befuddled.

pani
01-24-2012, 09:28 PM
But... that makes no sense. They've been using the same exit all season long and how is that not difficult enough? Because they make it look easy? She's over his shoulders, legs wrapped around herself and his rotating her very, very fast and oh my god, Tessa must have the strongest legs because to control that movement until he gently puts her back on the ice is NOT easy. I am so confused. I am befuddled.

Maybe because this look easy :) Like i post before, i am sure, they was told, why they get this low level and they could fix this.

This really interetsting to know, who will be technickal controller at 4CC and WCh/ I am sure at WCh this will be someone form USA or Russia, because they will not have ajudge at Worlds.

Golightly
01-24-2012, 09:33 PM
That's my problem: why do they need to fix the exit when it does not need fixing? That rotational is great just they way it is. How many skaters out there can pull off that position? Tessa and a very, very few.

pani
01-24-2012, 09:38 PM
That's my problem: why do they need to fix the exit when it does not need fixing? That rotational is great just they way it is. How many skaters out there can pull off that position? Tessa and a very, very few.

This could be a little mistake forn young technickal controller technickal pannel could missed something? I think it will be interesting, if commentators could explane to us such things like lift levels ad dedactions.
I was wonder, when they removed Temptation lift from SD, because technickal specialists didnt think this is 4 level lift. But it very difficult and beutifull - i miss it.

HSGP21
01-24-2012, 11:31 PM
The full teleconference for D/W is on the US Championships page on ice network... they talk about Marina and Igor splitting their time between their teams and Scott's off-the-cuff remark at the GPF. They seem like nice people... I wish Skate Canada would release the teleconferences like United States Figure Skating does.