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sequins
01-23-2012, 07:14 PM
I wonder if there's any chance that V&M would do their SD in the exhibition today to try and get another run of it in front of an audience and to get the kinks out.

So what did they skate to? Anyone know?

elle123
01-23-2012, 07:29 PM
I don't think Tracy even meant lines and extension. She was talking about the kind of skating skill it sakes to maintain speed, flow and depth edge while displaying Virtue and Moir's refinement and choreography. Without superior edging it's impossible to do what they do. They're not just little polishing elements, it goes straight down to the blade. Just look at Scott coming out of the twizzles, for instance. It's just amazing. It's incredible skating but he doesn't make a display of look how difficult this is.

I meant for those things to merely be examples but yes, I agree. They do a lot of amazing stuff that I don't feel they get credit for anymore. Maybe their skills are being "undervalued" because everyone just expects greatness from these twos now and also the fact that they make it look so easy.

iggie
01-23-2012, 07:33 PM
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i never get that statement -- the judges don't get it because they make it look so easy. maybe i, the average spectator, can't tell the difficulty in their dance, but judges, who've trained for decades even, should be able to. yes, it looks oh so easy. yes, it's effortless. yes, it's beautiful, but they, more than anyone else, should be able to see and appreciate the skill and the greatness that goes into it.

Judy
01-23-2012, 07:39 PM
I don't buy into the conspiracy theories. Patrick Chan doesn't need any type of help lol. Canadian judges aren't out to get them. Oh to be a fly at that rink this week with the coaches and V&M.

I wonder if it comes back to the short dance .. I'm still not sure that style was what the judges wanted but I'll have to see it skated clean with the changes.

elle123
01-23-2012, 07:48 PM
:(

i never get that statement -- the judges don't get it because they make it look so easy. maybe i, the average spectator, can't tell the difficulty in their dance, but judges, who've trained for decades even, should be able to. yes, it looks oh so easy. yes, it's effortless. yes, it's beautiful, but they, more than anyone else, should be able to see and appreciate the skill and the greatness that goes into it.

True and I'm not really sure how the machinations of judging really works.

lavenderblue
01-23-2012, 08:13 PM
So what did they skate to? Anyone know?

IWHYH again; there's a picture on Daylife as well as here (http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151190177550160.801542.240249300159&type=3).

taf2002
01-23-2012, 08:35 PM
something is fishy this is the same panel who last year thought crone and poirier were better than weaver and poje, two months later international judges emphatically reversed that decision that ended the crone and poirier partnership, now he`s back with someone new for less than a year they get 100 plus sorry but both virtue and moir and weaver and poje looked peeved. Too much baloney and politics involved skate canada needs a serious overhaul of judges and tech panels.

If you recall, V/M didn't have to pay their dues or wait their turn...they shot to the top very quickly. So just because G/P have been together a short time, that doesn't mean they stunk up the ice or didn't deserve their scores. It's not like they came close to beating V/M or W/P.


When you really think about it, it's just crazy to think that Skate Canada is giving their Olympic Champions low TES. I mean three level 3s in the FD? Really? When they got all level 4s at the GPF?? Very fishy.

I know, right? V/M should get all L4's & all +3 GOE's for just stepping out on the ice, every time. Heaven forbid a tech caller should even NOTICE if they screw up or just don't skate brilliantly. And how dare they get a time deduction?

professordeb
01-23-2012, 09:20 PM
If you recall, V/M didn't have to pay their dues or wait their turn...they shot to the top very quickly. So just because G/P have been together a short time, that doesn't mean they stunk up the ice or didn't deserve their scores. It's not like they came close to beating V/M or W/P.



I know, right? V/M should get all L4's & all +3 GOE's for just stepping out on the ice, every time. Heaven forbid a tech caller should even NOTICE if they screw up or just don't skate brilliantly. And how dare they get a time deduction?

Do you really believe what you wrote? If so, I'd say you're exaggerating some.

No one here said Paul and his partner stunk up the joint, those are your words. Some here are left scratching their heads and can't figure out how such a new couple managed to get such high marks. A few people have given suggestions as to perhaps what helped but I haven't seen anyone give any detailed reason as to why G/P scored so high. I like them as a dance couple, no comment on the scoring as I'm not in enough technik.

RE Tessa & Scott. From what I've read no one here said they should get a certain kind of mark just for stepping out onto the ice but the marks they did get can make you wonder what caused the TECH panel to call as they did. Hopefully T&S got some feedback on why their levels were lower than expected. BTW, I don't think anyone is disagreeing with the time deduction - only wondering which element cause it. Like Scott said, the timing on the lifts will be fine by the time they get to worlds.

taf2002
01-23-2012, 10:19 PM
RE Tessa & Scott. From what I've read no one here said they should get a certain kind of mark just for stepping out onto the ice

What do you think is being implied when people question why their marks are different from the GPF? Are they robots in that they skate exactly the same every time? Of course not, so why question why their scores aren't the same every time?

pani
01-23-2012, 10:24 PM
Sorry, but i need to tell this - all discussion look like Virtue-Moir funeral. And this fan thread. Interesting.

professordeb
01-23-2012, 10:29 PM
What do you think is being implied when people question why their marks are different from the GPF? Are they robots in that they skate exactly the same every time? Of course not, so why question why their scores aren't the same every time?

I don't think anything is implied. Some have a question as to why a tech caller at a team's national championships gave the levels they did on items. If you want to improve, then you look at what you apparently didn't do well enough, ask what was wrong and then go and fix it. No one said the scores should be the same everytime but are questioning WHY a couple who have been getting a level 4 call on a certain item all flipping season long from international tech specialists only got a three here. I'd look at it and wonder too. What was it that they specifically did/didn't do that got them the lower level? So, some are speculating what might have caused them to get the marks they got and why some other teams were seemingly wonderously gifted. Besides, it's FSU and we see konspiracy everywhere :lol: and also believe we have the right to argue about anything and everything. Part of the reason why I love this site so much.

alice73
01-23-2012, 10:38 PM
If you recall, V/M didn't have to pay their dues or wait their turn...they shot to the top very quickly. So just because G/P have been together a short time, that doesn't mean they stunk up the ice or didn't deserve their scores. It's not like they came close to beating V/M or W/P.



I know, right? V/M should get all L4's & all +3 GOE's for just stepping out on the ice, every time. Heaven forbid a tech caller should even NOTICE if they screw up or just don't skate brilliantly. And how dare they get a time deduction?

The scores are always inflated at the Nationals. All countries do it. The country's top figure skaters get a little bonus at their home competition. It's normal. So this is not just about V/M. It'll definitely happen at the upcoming US Nationals. As far as G/P are concerned, their skating is not on a 100 pts level. Plain and simple. There are many senior level teams who've skated for years and are still unable to crack 100 pts. V/M didn't do it on their first outing as seniors. G/P score looks more like an example of national inflation than reflective of their actual skating skills.

flowerpower
01-23-2012, 11:13 PM
What do you think is being implied when people question why their marks are different from the GPF? Are they robots in that they skate exactly the same every time? Of course not, so why question why their scores aren't the same every time?

Are you serious? Do all tech panels and judges see things the same way? Of course not. Any result is some combination of how skaters did on the day and how it was perceived and assessed.

Tracy Wilson is normally very diplomatic. She openly criticized the ice dance judging at this event. If she has concerns, it's worth discussing.

taf2002
01-23-2012, 11:40 PM
Are you serious? Do all tech panels and judges see things the same way? Of course not. Any result is some combination of how skaters did on the day and how it was perceived and assessed.

That's all I was saying.

flowerpower
01-23-2012, 11:43 PM
That's all I was saying.

You picked a provocative way of saying it. ;) :P