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hanca
12-17-2011, 11:46 AM
Maria is a beautiful skater, if she can manage to find a tall enough partner she could easily work toward 2018. I haven't heard what her plans are; I'm just sorry Oleg isn't training anyone, what a waste.

Are you saying that is not training anyone at all, or did you mean he is not training anyone who competed this year internationally? Because that's a big difference. He may have some young pairs but needs a few years to make them ready...

And in regards to Maria, I agree that she looked beautiful on the ice, but if she didn't manage to get to the complete top with Trankov, I don't think she can reach it with anyone else. I think finding a tall partner is not the only problem that stands in her way. Landing jumps is also a problem...

PashaFan
12-17-2011, 12:07 PM
I do think Maria had a confidence problem but look at another Maria.
Maria Butyrskaya. She was like that, then in 98/99 she turned it around.
Maybe Maria needs a partner like Arthur Dimitriev.
He always took care of his partners even when they were in poor form.
Some skaters just need that extra care.
The talent is there. I think it would be a real shame to lose a skater like her.
I would much rather watch Maria than some others.
Let's not forget Maxim made errors too, it was not just her.
A good partner that she connects to may be the big difference for her.

hanca
12-17-2011, 12:11 PM
I do think Maria had a confidence problem but look at another Maria.
Maria Butyrskaya. She was like that, then in 98/99 she turned it around.
Maybe Maria needs a partner like Arthur Dimitriev.
He always took care of his partners even when they were in poor form.
Some skaters just need that extra care.
The talent is there. I think it would be a real shame to lose a skater like her.
I would much rather watch Maria than some others.
Let's not forget Maxim made errors too, it was not just her.
A good partner that she connects to may be the big difference for her.

Maxim definitely made some errors, but in majority times it was her jumps that kept them lower. That was also the reason why they did not place any higher at the Russian nationals and that's why they lost the funding. I quite understand why the Russian federation would not want to spend so much money on their pair number 7, if they had six better ones.

Vash01
12-17-2011, 04:56 PM
And in regards to Maria, I agree that she looked beautiful on the ice, but if she didn't manage to get to the complete top with Trankov, I don't think she can reach it with anyone else. I think finding a tall partner is not the only problem that stands in her way. Landing jumps is also a problem...

It takes two to make a pair successful. Some pairs are just not well matched and with other partners they do much better. Maria Petrova, for example. With Anton S. who was a superb skater, she did not make it very far. With Tikhonov she won a world championship in 2000.

hanca
12-17-2011, 05:22 PM
I wouldn't compare Maria Mukhortova with Maria P though. What were Maria P's issues? Was it also that she was unable to land her jumps with Anton S. and then suddenly she became very consistent jumper with Tikhonov? No, I didn't think so.

Vash01
12-17-2011, 05:29 PM
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Vash01
12-17-2011, 05:31 PM
I wouldn't compare Maria Mukhortova with Maria P though. What were Maria P's issues? Was it also that she was unable to land her jumps with Anton S. and then suddenly she became very consistent jumper with Tikhonov? No, I didn't think so.

At the 2010 Olympics it was Trankov who missed the sbs jump in the SP, not Maria. It set them back, going into the LP. They had no chance for the gold, but they could have competed for the bronze had he landed the jump. May be he already knew they had no future as a pair, and did not try hard enough. It's strange how Maria gets the blame every time. Trankov was not perfect either when he skated with Maria.

Maria Petrova was very consistent in her jumps and throws. Somehow she and Anton just did not work out as a pair.

Kasey
12-17-2011, 06:54 PM
At the 2010 Olympics it was Trankov who missed the sbs jump in the SP, not Maria.

Nope. Maria biffed her landing on the SBS jump as well, in her usual fashion. She just didn't assplant on it like Trankov did. In terms of him maybe knowing their partnership was ending and not giving it his all, I think that's a load of crap. I can't imagine any elite athlete making it to the Olympics and not giving it his all; and if he wasn't emotionally invested, I doubt his reaction would have been one of such devastation.

julieann
12-17-2011, 07:08 PM
Are you saying that is not training anyone at all, or did you mean he is not training anyone who competed this year internationally? Because that's a big difference. He may have some young pairs but needs a few years to make them ready...

And in regards to Maria, I agree that she looked beautiful on the ice, but if she didn't manage to get to the complete top with Trankov, I don't think she can reach it with anyone else. I think finding a tall partner is not the only problem that stands in her way. Landing jumps is also a problem...

If he were training anyone either in the US or Russia people would know about it. Either they would be competing or he would have said something himself. I haven't heard anything about him in over a year. Besides with his talent he should be training skaters of a higher level like S/K or I/M.


At the 2010 Olympics it was Trankov who missed the sbs jump in the SP, not Maria. It set them back, going into the LP. They had no chance for the gold, but they could have competed for the bronze had he landed the jump. May be he already knew they had no future as a pair, and did not try hard enough. It's strange how Maria gets the blame every time. Trankov was not perfect either when he skated with Maria.

It seems like in every partnership that breaks up people feel the need to call one of them a villain, and unfortunately it's Maria. Maxim wouldn't be where he is now with anyone but Tatiana. She fell right into his lap and got him the better results he wanted. Too bad Maria can't benefit form the same arrangement. Hopefully soon.

hanca
12-17-2011, 08:55 PM
It seems like in every partnership that breaks up people feel the need to call one of them a villain, and unfortunately it's Maria. Maxim wouldn't be where he is now with anyone but Tatiana. She fell right into his lap and got him the better results he wanted. Too bad Maria can't benefit form the same arrangement. Hopefully soon.

No one in this thread is trying to make her the villain and Trankov the saint. But it needs to be said that if Trankov did not have the jumps, he wouldn't be so succesfull with Tatiana. If either him or Tatiana were missing jumps as Maria was, they would not be first in Russian nationals, they may not be sent to Euros and Worlds and then they wouldn't have this results this season. Of course he was lucky with getting such a good partner in Tatiana, but the bottom line is that he needed to deliver at every competition (including last years Russian nationals). So it is not pure luck; it is a skill!

Maria may have been slightly less lucky with her new partner, Blanchard may not be as great skater as Tatiana is, but at the end of the day, it is not only Blanchard's fault that they have finished seventh at their nationals and then they haven't been sent to Euros and Worlds. Maria missed quite a few jumps when it counted. I really like how she skated with Blanchard (in the edited video on youtube), but her jump unfortunately let her down.

Vash01
12-18-2011, 04:38 PM
Nope. Maria biffed her landing on the SBS jump as well, in her usual fashion. She just didn't assplant on it like Trankov did. In terms of him maybe knowing their partnership was ending and not giving it his all, I think that's a load of crap. I can't imagine any elite athlete making it to the Olympics and not giving it his all; and if he wasn't emotionally invested, I doubt his reaction would have been one of such devastation.

I have no problem with you having a different opinion, but I feel offended by those highlighted phrases. It should be possible to discuss FS and disagreeing strongly without resorting to such words. I have seen worse on the chatboards of other sports, but they are other sports, and I still like to believe FS and this board to be cleaner.

Ziggy
12-18-2011, 04:44 PM
I have no problem with you having a different opinion, but I feel offended by those highlighted phrases. It should be possible to discuss FS and disagreeing strongly without resorting to such words. I have seen worse on the chatboards of other sports, but they are other sports, and I still like to believe FS and this board to be cleaner.

I think you need to get over yourself.

There are plenty of mindnumbingly boring places to discuss skating, if you'd prefer so. :P

Vash01
12-18-2011, 04:49 PM
It seems like in every partnership that breaks up people feel the need to call one of them a villain, and unfortunately it's Maria. Maxim wouldn't be where he is now with anyone but Tatiana. She fell right into his lap and got him the better results he wanted. Too bad Maria can't benefit form the same arrangement. Hopefully soon.

That may not be true of every partnership, but it's probably true of Maria (being called the villain, the worse jumper, the worse temperament, etc). IIRC Trankov was not squeaky clean either when they skated together. He has improved, and hopefully will continue to improve. I agree that he did get lucky with Tatiana, who was very consistent with her previous partner. I recall that when Maria and Blanchard split, there was an outrage against Maria- blaming her immediately. Some skaters just can't get the benefit of the doubt. From what I gathered later, Blanchard had his own reasons for not wanting to compete anymore.

About Maria finding another partner, I am wondering if there aren't enough talented senior level male pairs skaters in Russia right now (unless one of the current pairs split)?

hanca
12-18-2011, 05:18 PM
About Maria finding another partner, I am wondering if there aren't enough talented senior level male pairs skaters in Russia right now (unless one of the current pairs split)?

Or there may be some, but the question is, would they want to skate with her? Not everyone can bear the skating conditions where your female partner is in relationship with your coach. It can make working a bit difficult.

hanca
12-18-2011, 05:24 PM
IIRC Trankov was not squeaky clean either when they skated together. He has improved, and hopefully will continue to improve. I agree that he did get lucky with Tatiana, who was very consistent with her previous partner. I recall that when Maria and Blanchard split, there was an outrage against Maria- blaming her immediately. Some skaters just can't get the benefit of the doubt. From what I gathered later, Blanchard had his own reasons for not wanting to compete anymore.


No one says that Trankov was squeeky clean, but he did land his jumps much more frequently that she did. It seems that you do have some trouble with recollection. Maybe look at the last two years of them skating together, make a list of all their GP events, Europeans and Worlds and go trough all the programs (on youtube) and count how many times each of them missed jump. I know, it will be a bit time consuming, but it will remind you how often she missed a jump.