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Vash01
12-13-2011, 07:47 PM
I would venture to say that if Chan wins, there will be many here who will think it wasn't fair, regardless of how he skates while there will be others who think he should win based upon using COP the way they have all season long.

If anyone other than Chan wins, the board will likely erupt and there will be many here who say the judging was fair. :)


Not necessarily. Last year at worlds I had no problem with his win because he skated well. It's only when he does not skate well, others do, and he still gets the highest score, that's when there are many who disagree with the results.

museksk8r
12-13-2011, 07:58 PM
Not necessarily. Last year at worlds I had no problem with his win because he skated well. It's only when he does not skate well, others do, and he still gets the highest score, that's when there are many who disagree with the results.

Absolutely agree! I had no problem with him winning the GPF and Worlds last season as he did meet the moment and brought the goods better than the other competitors. Granted, I gave Kozuka the nod in the LP at Worlds, but overall, Chan did the best in the SP and LP combined to deserve his title. Chan's win at the GPF this season, however, was not as convincing in the LP for in that segment he had many more errors than Takahashi, but still won. Chan also had a very sloppy SP with 2 very noticeable errors. Chan has received the same treatment all skaters do when they win an event with 2 flawed performances, and he has a long history of doing this, so it's only natural that even more venom is going to be directed his way when it should really be directed toward the judging system. Well, I guess the drop in viewership ratings and event attendance is how the venom is being directed toward the system. When a victory is not decisive, of course there will be chants of X skater being robbed and Y skater being held up. It's par for the course. :shuffle:

gkelly
12-13-2011, 08:10 PM
Define "fairly"

casken
12-13-2011, 09:37 PM
So who was the other person who chose the Abbott response? :grope:

attyfan
12-13-2011, 10:13 PM
IMO, the fairness of the result will depend on how well Chan skates ... if he skates well, then is getting the gold is fair, but if he doesn't then his getting the gold isn't fair. Since this doesn't precisely fit with the choices on the ballot, I voted for Kwan

Vash01
12-13-2011, 10:36 PM
IMO, the fairness of the result will depend on how well Chan skates ... if he skates well, then is getting the gold is fair, but if he doesn't then his getting the gold isn't fair. Since this doesn't precisely fit with the choices on the ballot, I voted for Kwan

Only if he doesn't skate well, but a few others skate very well.....
Even Michelle Kwan cannot beat Chan. That's how dominant he is.:lol:

Jenny81
12-14-2011, 04:34 AM
If your favorites win, it's fair.

If your favorites don't win, wuzrobbed!

:)


This. :rofl:

judgejudy27
12-14-2011, 05:27 AM
Other than Chan being certain to win even if he sits on the ice and does nothing for half of the program, the remainder of the mens event (the real competition taking place 2nd downwards apart from the coronation gold medal ceremony and exhibition skates) I believe will be judged fairly.

t.mann
12-14-2011, 09:28 AM
Maybe Chan will skate brilliantly at Worlds so that the debate is unnecessary, just like last Worlds.

BTW, I hope competition for bronze is fair as well.
I am a little :confused: at Javier's PCS this season. especially the SS part.
His skating skills are great live?? looks average on screen.
Anyway, this season Javier[SC:7.68(SP)-8.14(LP) / RC:7.61-8.07 / GPF:7.75-8.21] is receiving the higher(or similar) SS score than a great SS guy Kozuka[SA:7.79-7.82 / NHK:7.89-7.93].
What a :confused: moment.

Primorskaya
12-14-2011, 10:20 AM
TROLOLO! :P

The fact that the question comes up in the first place is answer enough...

And I voted for Michelle Kwan, of course.

kittyjake5
12-14-2011, 03:03 PM
I voted for the Kween, cause when she was competiting I got it, she was fabulous and dominant and she won because she was that good. We had 26 pages of Michelle fans vs. Sasha fans vs. Irina's fans. Now we have 26 pages of COP breakdown. I like COP and I get it (but I had to take a COP for Dummies class at my community college) ;)

Fair judging back then was questionable. Fair judging now is questionable.
After all this is figure skating folks.

doctor
12-14-2011, 03:38 PM
BTW, I hope competition for bronze is fair as well.
I am a little :confused: at Javier's PCS this season. especially the SS part.
His skating skills are great live?? looks average on screen.
Anyway, this season Javier[SC:7.68(SP)-8.14(LP) / RC:7.61-8.07 / GPF:7.75-8.21] is receiving the higher(or similar) SS score than a great SS guy Kozuka[SA:7.79-7.82 / NHK:7.89-7.93].
What a :confused: moment.
His skating skills are worse when you see him skating live, as heís the slowest among the 6 competitors at GPF. His PCS should not have been higher than Brezinaís, but he outscored Brezina by almost 10 points.

Since the worlds will be held in Europe and Amodio and Joubert are not in their best form, Fernandez will have semi-home advantage. I think heíll outscore even Kozuka on PCS at the Worlds, which means besides Chan the remainder of the menís competition will not be judged fairly, either.

PashaFan
12-14-2011, 04:00 PM
You know when you just don't like someone but you don't know why?
That's how I feel about Chan.
Yes he deserved the World title BUT only because others did not do well.
No, that's not his fault but now I feel he is being treated a bit like Plushenko was. It does not really matter to the judges if he makes errors because they will give him such high marks no matter what.
It is taken out of the others hands.
I just find Chan quite bland.
Abbott, I have found myself really liking.
I think the way the season has gone so far the judges have already given the World titles to Chan & Davis & White.
And No, I'm not a Meryl & Charlie hater but I just don't see any movement from the judges.
After the Salt Lake City Olympics everybody was saying change the judging system but I was saying change the judges !
They have already found a way to place their favourites at the top yet not have to answer to anybody. And the really bad thing about this judging system is they can give a title to someone in the short programe by putting them so far ahead.
RANT OVER !!!!!

bek
12-14-2011, 04:05 PM
I don't know how you can compare Patrick to Plushenko. Plushenko might make a slight error here and there, but he did his difficult elements consistently. I can't imagine seeing Plushenko smile if he had put in a short program like the one Chan did at GPF. Plushenko would consider it an absolute disaster.

PashaFan
12-14-2011, 04:13 PM
I'm not talking about Chan/Plushenko the person, I'm talking about the judges favouring them.
Plushenko always got high marks even when there were errors.
Yes, he had high technical difficulty but he was never punished like others when he skated bad.