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centerpt1
04-01-2012, 12:59 AM
I thought he showed a lot of fight and determination throughout. Love this FP. He's come so far over the last year.

It's a shame he wasn't "on" for Worlds. He's such a fine skater. Too fine to go out without a World medal.

~tapdancer~
04-01-2012, 03:58 AM
I agree that he fought for that program. I love this LP and I agree with Peter C that he should keep it and perfect it. It is such a masterpiece of music and choreography and to ever see it skated flawlessly would be a skating fan's dream (well, it sure would be mine!). Jeremy, like Chan, is such a master of the blade and his flow and movement are just divine. And he's definitely too fine to go out without a World medal, I agree.

lmarie086
04-01-2012, 05:31 AM
I didn't get to watch the men's LP but I was sad to find out that Jeremy didn't have the performance he was looking for. His LP is a gem, and I certainly wouldn't complain if Jeremy and his team decided to keep it for another year; such a fine program should have a lights out final performance. The injury of course did him no favors, which is unfortunate because I thought he was building quite well throughout the season, with his best hopefully to come at Worlds.

In fact, I wouldn't mind if he kept both programs. It's not often that a skater has two phenomenal competitive programs in the one season, and this year Jeremy had two of my favorite programs of the last five years, I'd have to say.

jlai
04-01-2012, 03:18 PM
I agree that he fought for that program. I love this LP and I agree with Peter C that he should keep it and perfect it. It is such a masterpiece of music and choreography and to ever see it skated flawlessly would be a skating fan's dream (well, it sure would be mine!). Jeremy, like Chan, is such a master of the blade and his flow and movement are just divine. And he's definitely too fine to go out without a World medal, I agree.

I love Jeremy, but I'm not sure if he'll win a world medal.

I've been a fan for some time, and to me Jeremy skates well when everything lines up right: the skates have no issues, practices go great, no major injuries, good skating order (meaning not skating after someone who skates lights out like after Dai and Brezina in Nice), no last minutes changes to jump layout, the US team not having a negative vibe, etc. etc.

A top level competitor normally can work through 2-3 of the above. Jeremy needs to learn how to deal with some of them. And when things don't go well, to notice the warning signs and fix them before they are big issues.

For me as a fan, this is a self discovery journey for Jeremy. Always has been. I love him, but have no problem letting him take a little heat because he does need to handle some of these issues if he's to be a world medalist or champion.

So yeah, I'm a tough-love fan. :)

centerpt1
04-01-2012, 04:02 PM
I'm at the point where I think a World Medal is just not going to be for him. He has everything he needs , but something beyond his grasp is stopping him from achieving.

I wish we still had pro skating in the US, because he has so much to offer.

Then again, the rumored new pro competitions will require a World medal.....

Really a shame because I would rather watch Jeremy skate than most of the big names competing, save Takahashi and Kozuka.

I think he has tried numerous ways to handle the issues - but just can't. There's no shame in trying your best and just being unable. Sometimes you just hit the insurmountable.

dinakt
04-01-2012, 05:38 PM
I think he has tried numerous ways to handle the issues - but just can't. There's no shame in trying your best and just being unable. Sometimes you just hit the insurmountable.

I agree. I think Jeremy has tried very hard, and so far it just was not meant to be, whatever reason. Lapses of concentration, bad luck, or perhaps tremendous pressure coming out of Nationas puts on the psyche- that it is hard for somebody with less than nerves of steel to rev up again after it. He had real chances in 2009, 2010 and 2012 to be on the Worlds podium. He had close-to-perfect performances those 3 years at big competitions, just not at Worlds.
I really hope he keeps skating as long as possible, because he is a unique artistic skater, who has already made his mark in skating, and can do more. I intend to just enjoy it.

skatesindreams
04-01-2012, 05:59 PM
I haven't - and won't - "give up" on Jeremy!

One of the challenges for US skaters is that our Nationals is so competitive that often, a skater needs to "peak" just to make the World team, as Jeremy did.
Then, they must do it again; for recognition, medals, and position for the following season.

That's a lot to ask.

shine
04-01-2012, 06:05 PM
Maybe Jeremy needs a talk with Carolina Kostner. Both are incredibly talented and artistic/sensitive, and appear to have shared a very similar growth path as athletes with many set backs and occasional flahses of brilliance from time to time that keeps fans hopeful. only Carolina seems to have defeated her inner demon and found peace from within in the last two seasons. I know the men's field is much more demanding, but I so hope Jeremy will have his own Kostner year sometime in the future. Watching Carolina makes me think that perhaps eternal headcases don't always have to be so.

centerpt1
04-01-2012, 06:42 PM
It will be interesting to hear what comes out of the Sato/Dungjen camp once they've had time to debrief Worlds with their skaters. The only one that did as well as expected was Marchei.

jlai
04-01-2012, 10:06 PM
Sato camp really could use a strategist that could help athletes figure out which competitoins are important, which are okay to not do well, which to skip, when to stop interacting with fans, how to minimize distractions, etc. etc. I wish Jeremy has (or ever had) a coach with extensive world experience. Granted, I wouldn't want someone who police every aspect of an athlete's life, but at least someone who would make sure nothing would be a distraction.

I also wish Jeremy had had a few years skating under Weir or Lysacek's shadow as US #2 or #3 (that means not being national champion). He would have had some chance to do well at world without that added pressure.

Jammers
04-01-2012, 10:26 PM
Sadly Jeremy just like Alissa and Mirai has the talent to be on the podium at Worlds but like them he's not the best competitor. All you have to do is see the look on their faces to know how they are going to do. They don't hide their nervousness well. Some call it puke face or Kerrigan face. :lol:

jl22aries
04-02-2012, 07:22 AM
Who choreographed Jeremy's LP? It's just so sublime.

DimaToe
04-02-2012, 07:29 AM
Who choreographed Jeremy's LP? It's just so sublime.

Jeremy and Yuka.

aftershocks
04-03-2012, 06:25 AM
I agree. I think Jeremy has tried very hard, and so far it just was not meant to be, whatever reason. Lapses of concentration, bad luck, or perhaps tremendous pressure coming out of Nationas puts on the psyche- that it is hard for somebody with less than nerves of steel to rev up again after it. He had real chances in 2009, 2010 and 2012 to be on the Worlds podium. He had close-to-perfect performances those 3 years at big competitions, just not at Worlds.
I really hope he keeps skating as long as possible, because he is a unique artistic skater, who has already made his mark in skating, and can do more. I intend to just enjoy it.

ITA :respec:

centerpt: You mentioned rumors of new pro competitions. Do you know more? I think they are vastly limiting the talent pool (and opportunities for former eligible skaters) if they only plan to hire World medalists.

Marco
04-03-2012, 08:03 AM
Who choreographed Jeremy's LP? It's just so sublime.

Truly the best program of the season along with Kostner's LP.