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kirkbiggestfan
12-08-2011, 12:30 PM
To me, he sounds very bitter about his financial situation. He probably compared his lifestyle to the one's of Browning,Stojko...and it does not even come close yet.

ciocio
12-08-2011, 12:37 PM
In my opinion Patrick doesnīt have a clue about what means to be a Chinese athlete. He went to China for some shows, he thought it was a cool place, the crowd received him warmly and he said: "Great!!! In Canada people are not so excited about FS!!!" A lot of skaters are more popular abroad, especially in Asia, than in their homecountries.
He shouldnīt be so disappointed.:(

bek
12-08-2011, 12:42 PM
To me, he sounds very bitter about his financial situation. He probably compared his lifestyle to the one's of Browning,Stojko...and it does not even come close yet.

A part of me evilly kind of has to laugh. Wasn't a top Canadian federation official there and all encouraging when Patrick was running his mouth off about one of Joubert, Kulik, Yagudin, Plushenko? Now he's running his mouth about the hand that in his mind I guess doesn't feed him. :rofl:

Maybe now Patrick will get media training. I can't help feeling that Chan's comments aren't exactly going to help his marketing in Canada.

kwanette
12-08-2011, 12:49 PM
I understand why many of the skaters like skating in Asia..Ross Miner was wowed this yr by the Japanese fans..and said so in an interview.Maybe the money just isn't there in Canada, I don't know, as it was for the Kurt/Elvis yrs, just as it isn't here in the US as it was during the Kwan yrs.

marbri
12-08-2011, 01:17 PM
I understand why many of the skaters like skating in Asia..Ross Miner was wowed this yr by the Japanese fans..and said so in an interview.Maybe the money just isn't there in Canada, I don't know, as it was for the Kurt/Elvis yrs, just as it isn't here in the US as it was during the Kwan yrs.

During the Orser/Kurt/Elvis years I'd say there was much more public interest and recognition. Always the next great one to take over the reign. Canadian men were seen to be dominating. South of the border you had American domination of ladies skating. And probably more money as well. Much more attractive for an advertiser to say "hey let's use Kurt or Michelle" to sell this lightbulb.

Chan is skating during a recession, Canadian government don't finance their athletes much (if at all) and he sees his parents struggling to fundraise for him (which iirc they do mostly in the Chinese community). So I think it's sensible for him to give a nod to his Chinese heritage because I'm pretty sure a lot of the money is coming from them. Ex-patriot communities tend to support their own whenever they can but with the recession maybe even those ties are drying up.

What he is probably regretting right now is his "stream of consciousness" in this article. And I do think that is true, it's not some spin. If this interview was done just after he returned from China then it was also just after an interview of him in China where he was met with shock that he wasn't famous and rich and the government didn't throw money at him for training and proceeded to tell him that in China everything for the athlete is paid for...

Was he ignorant of the facts of how difficult a life it could be? Absofcukinglutely! And I'm sure many will correct him. But I think he was as ignorant of the real facts as those dogs in this thread who want to gnaw him to death because they think he just wants to be famous to satisfy his ego. I find that more :rolleyes: than his foot in his mouth.

museksk8r
12-08-2011, 01:29 PM
:blah::rolleyes::shuffle: I'm amazed that the weight of this kid's ego allows him to walk upright, much less skate.

Pierre
12-08-2011, 01:33 PM
This kid just can't stop saying dumb

Agreed. When he was younger, it could be excused as the emotions of a teenager, but now that he is 20, a higher standard is expected. In addition to reconsidering the logic behind some of his positions, he should also be thinking about how his comments make him appear, not just for his own sake, but for his sport and country, too.

berthesghost
12-08-2011, 01:38 PM
If the intent of this thread is to create sympathy for Chan you have failed. Most N.American skaters (that's from USA & Canada) have roots in another country/culture. Nothing unusual about what Chan is feeling. Do you think (for example) Michelle Kwan or Naomi Nari Nam did not feel caught between two cultures? They did not go public with their feelings.Usually, proclamation of rediscovered heritage pride follow a period of heritage shame. I think thats the hidden text here behind all of this sudden Chinese pride.

I also find skate Canada's excuses and spinning interesting. He works for them. What he is basically doing is like if he was a coke exec, and gave an interview saying how much better he imagines his life would be had he gone worked for pepsi. :lol he thinks he's not getting enough attention, but in fact he's getting too much if he's forgotten who butters his bread.

Zemgirl
12-08-2011, 01:50 PM
Agreed. When he was younger, it could be excused as the emotions of a teenager, but now that he is 20, a higher standard is expected. In addition to reconsidering the logic behind some of his positions, he should also be thinking about how his comments make him appear, not just for his own sake, but for his sport and country, too.
ITA. Chan's made plenty of :eek: remarks over the past few years, and it's been excused by some because he's young. But he'll be 21 at the end of this month, he's a veteran competitor, and really, it's time he learned how to express himself without coming across as an entitled jerk.

walei
12-08-2011, 02:14 PM
If this interview was done earlier in the summer, I seem to remember Patrick also made a comment that figure skating just isn't that popular anymore and a lot of top tier athletes like himself are still not as financially secure as they would be in the 90s or 80s.

I think this Chinese and Korean are more appreciative to their skating stars comment stem from a financial root that maybe Patrick and his family is still feeling the burden even though he is THE top male skater in the World right now and he just felt it was unfair that he couldn't be as financially secure as previous great Canadian champions like Stojko and Browning? We don't know what is the state of Chan's family and what they still have to go through to support Patrick, so I am not going to judge.

I doubt Patrick is oblivious to the fact that besides the money issue, a Chinese athlete have to sacrifice a lot more in other areas. But...grass is always greener on other people's lawn, even for the World Champion (which I think is completely normal) I do agree though that as a Patrick Chan uber, he needs to be more smart in what he wants to convey.

berthesghost
12-08-2011, 02:17 PM
During the Orser/Kurt/Elvis years I'd say there was much more public interest and recognition.

.... So I think it's sensible for him to give a nod to his Chinese heritage because I'm pretty sure a lot of the money is coming from them. Ex-patriot communities tend to support their own whenever they can but with the recession maybe even those ties are dryingDuring? I know that brian, Kurt and elvis have many many world and oly medals between them. Patrick has exactly one world title, but he's already supposed to be on level field with proven icons? Sounds Tara-esque. :D

I agree with this, which is why perhaps saying things like how grateful he is for the sacrifices his parents gave so he could grow up in Canada but have the Chinese values instilled in him. They would eat that up I'd imagine. But why would people who sacrificed so much to emigrate for what they consider a better life want to hear that they shouldnt have bothered and their kids would be better off back in the old country? He's lucky if he doesn't lose sponsors with this footinmouth interview IMO.

algonquin
12-08-2011, 02:21 PM
During the Orser/Kurt/Elvis years I'd say there was much more public interest and recognition. Always the next great one to take over the reign. Canadian men were seen to be dominating. South of the border you had American domination of ladies skating. And probably more money as well. Much more attractive for an advertiser to say "hey let's use Kurt or Michelle" to sell this lightbulb.

Chan is skating during a recession, Canadian government don't finance their athletes much (if at all) and he sees his parents struggling to fundraise for him (which iirc they do mostly in the Chinese community). this article. And I do think that is true, it's not some spin. The early 90s recession was much worse in Canada than the current one. I think that the big difference is the sucess of Canadian athletes in all sports. During the Orser/Kurt/Elvis years, they were pretty much the top of all Canadian winter or summer athletes. Today, Chan is just one of many sucessful Canadian athletes, so he doesn't share the headlines the same way that Orser/Kurt/Elvis did. Regardless, these remarks will not endure him to the Canadian public.

Someone needs to teach Chan about the value of a private journal for venting feelings and fustrations. :rolleyes:

Zemgirl
12-08-2011, 02:21 PM
During? I know that brian, Kurt and elvis have many many world and oly medals between them. Patrick has exactly one world medal and thats it. But he's already supposed to be on level field with proven icons? Sounds Tara-esque. :D
He has three world medals, though only one of them is gold.

Emdee
12-08-2011, 02:27 PM
I really do believe that his stream of consciousness was misconstrued.

For some reason people who have been left behind in the old country look at those who have left either as traitors and money worshippers or envy them as they think they are on easy street.

It is likely that Patrick was just trying to explain that just because he was World Champion it does not mean he is on easy street and his parents have to work hard and sacrifice etc.

I agree though that he needs some PR and sensitivity training. Though sometimes his candour is refreshing.

Frau Muller
12-08-2011, 02:29 PM
Patrick Chan's mouth is "The Gift that Keeps on Giving"!