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operagirl
12-20-2011, 02:00 AM
He's also a very good pianist.
Honey, he plays like my 10 year old niece.

This is what a very good pianist sounds like, Armin Mahbanoozadeh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhPyToayMiM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nATjGJvOyw&feature=related

jenny12
12-20-2011, 02:06 AM
Honey, he plays like my 10 year old niece.

This is what a very good pianist sounds like, Armin Mahbanoozadeh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhPyToayMiM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nATjGJvOyw&feature=related

Awesome! How sweet of him to dedicate some of those pieces to Mao.

operagirl
12-20-2011, 02:10 AM
LOL, I live with my parents and two siblings in a 120-square-meter (about 394-square-foot) condo.
Maybe Patrick should come to visit Italy and learn about the financial situation of our skaters, I'm sure after that he'll kiss the Canadian soil for every day of his life.
Didn't Rudy Galindo grow up in a TRAILER??? As did Natalie & Wayne Seybold:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9hi14C5LtI

Wayne Seybold is in Congress now. He represents Marion Indiana.

overedge
12-20-2011, 02:52 AM
Just the figure skating athletes?

Own the Podium is for most of the Olympic winter sports, which is another issue in and of itself - as I understand it the bulk of the funding goes to the sports where Canada has the most chance of winning medals. Which means some of the other non-medal-potential winter sports don't even get developmental funding.

But IIRC skating in Canada isn't the only winter sport that is redirecting money away from its developmental/grassroots programs to concentrate funding on its elite and developmental-elite athletes. So if even with that Chan is struggling to pay the bills....I'd say underfunding in general is a problem.

flowerpower
12-20-2011, 04:38 AM
I thought the Own the Podium funding was drastically reduced for winter athletes, post-Vancouver.

There may be some funding for summer athletes in preparation for London 2012.

DaveRocks
12-20-2011, 04:42 AM
Honey, he plays like my 10 year old niece.

This is what a very good pianist sounds like, Armin Mahbanoozadeh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhPyToayMiM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nATjGJvOyw&feature=related

:rolleyes:

Yes, Armin is definitely a much more accomplished pianist than Patrick -- no question. And kudos to Armin for attempting relatively ambitious repertoire.

That said, if you, "honey," think that Armin's playing "is what a very good pianist sounds like," you've got a lot to learn.

BreakfastClub
12-20-2011, 04:58 AM
:rolleyes:

Yes, Armin is definitely a much more accomplished pianist than Patrick -- no question. And kudos to Armin for attempting relatively ambitious repertoire.

That said, if you, "honey," think that Armin's playing "is what a very good pianist sounds like," you've got a lot to learn.

^^ This. ;)

Vagabond
12-20-2011, 05:20 AM
Wayne Seybold is in Congress now. He represents Marion Indiana.

He's the mayor, not the Congressman.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Seybold

WildRose
12-20-2011, 05:27 AM
The Own the Podium program was renewed by the Federal Govt.
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/olympics/wintersports/story/2011/03/22/sp-own-the-podium.html

dinakt
12-20-2011, 05:36 AM
:rolleyes:

Yes, Armin is definitely a much more accomplished pianist than Patrick -- no question. And kudos to Armin for attempting relatively ambitious repertoire.

That said, if you, "honey," think that Armin's playing "is what a very good pianist sounds like," you've got a lot to learn.

We are not discussing professional musicians here. For an amateur, Armin is accomlished. He shows years of dedicated study. As does Yasmin Siraj, who is accomplished on piano, and quite musical. Also years of dedicated study.
http://youtu.be/a5haZS_D_9Q

I saw Patrick's "Fur Elise" video a long time ago, and was not going to comment until this discussion came up. But I cringed that he chose to play for his fans and did not bother to finish a piece that is so elementary. That pretty much killed the myth that he is any kind of a pianist right there.
He skates well:D

Triple Butz
12-20-2011, 06:58 AM
We are not discussing professional musicians here. For an amateur, Armin is accomlished. He shows years of dedicated study. As does Yasmin Siraj, who is accomplished on piano, and quite musical. Also years of dedicated study.
http://youtu.be/a5haZS_D_9Q

I saw Patrick's "Fur Elise" video a long time ago, and was not going to comment until this discussion came up. But I cringed that he chose to play for his fans and did not bother to finish a piece that is so elementary. That pretty much killed the myth that he is any kind of a pianist right there.
He skates well:D

YES. Armin is not ready for a conservatory by any means, but there's a WORLD of difference between his playing and Patrick's...
The real question with Armin is how can someone who understands music so well be so boring? :slinkaway
Still love him, though!


It doesn't matter that Patrick can't play, but I find it humorous that he brings it up in interviews and that on his fans made him a poster with music noted because he "plays" the piano. I don't even think he knows what the pedals are for...did he use the soft pedal even ONCE during that clip?

ETA: I remember seeing some clips of Bebe Liang and she sounded okay...her playing was fiery like her skating:)

IceAlisa
12-20-2011, 07:57 AM
We are not discussing professional musicians here. For an amateur, Armin is accomlished. He shows years of dedicated study. As does Yasmin Siraj, who is accomplished on piano, and quite musical. Also years of dedicated study.
http://youtu.be/a5haZS_D_9Q


Not bad at all! What an accomplished young lady. Ivy Leagues, here she comes. :respec:

Marco
12-20-2011, 08:21 AM
The real question with Armin is how can someone who understands music so well be so boring? :slinkaway

Because the sport and especially his recent programs require him to be much more extroverted and expressive than he is capable of or is showing. He needs a style that fits him.



It doesn't matter that Patrick can't play, but I find it humorous that he brings it up in interviews and that on his fans made him a poster with music noted because he "plays" the piano.


Since you are on this topic, just because he said he played the piano doesn't mean he thought he was great at it. He was asked by a fan to play and so he did. It was clear from the youtube video that he knew he wasn't very good. The point of the video wasn't to show how good he was, it was to respond to a fan's request. If I were that fan, I would be glad to see a goofy performance from him than to see him humbly decline to play.

Again, I think this is one of those instances when everyone made a big deal out of nothing.



ETA: I remember seeing some clips of Bebe Liang and she sounded okay...her playing was fiery like her skating:)


Does she fall twice everytime she performs too? :slinkaway:

NorthernDancers
12-20-2011, 02:54 PM
I agree, but funding sports should not just mean funding the top athletes, or the developing athletes. It should be funding participation at every level of the sport. IMHO this is a huge problem with programs like Own The Podium. Funding the Olympic-level athletes by taking funding away from the participatory levels is a big mistake, because those Olympic-level athletes were grassroots-level participants when they started. There needs to be better funding for everyone, not just for those at Chan's level.

I 100% agree with this. I also agree with flowerpower who said there should be tax incentives. Those should be in place for both corporations who sponsor an athlete or team, and for parents. The current $1000 per year deduction for participating in sports or music is laughable. It won't cover a month's worth of skating, never mind a year. And if the tax breaks are for official sports, it could benefit more than just skating. And it could apply from the grassroots to the very top. It's a great idea, flowerpower.

I don't think the funding concern is about making athletes rich, as some seem to suggest. It's not about driving fancy cars or making a million dollars. I don't think too many athletes, certainly in skating, ever expect that. It's about ensuring that the tremendous sacrifices made by so many parents to keep their kids in sports are relieved in large extent. That benefits the economy, since people will have more disposable income, and it will ensure there is a healthy number of aspiring athletes (instead of a sport in decline). It won't have to be a sport only for the rich or the supremely sacrificial, which will improve the overall impression of skating being an "elitist" sport, and perhaps attract more fans. And we will have a better chance of seeing the best of the best rise to the top instead of only those who can afford to stay or have parents and families willing to make huge sacrifices.

DaveRocks
12-20-2011, 04:41 PM
We are not discussing professional musicians here. For an amateur, Armin is accomlished. He shows years of dedicated study. As does Yasmin Siraj, who is accomplished on piano, and quite musical. Also years of dedicated study.
http://youtu.be/a5haZS_D_9Q


I definitely wasn't discussing professional musicians. As I said above, Armin is a much more accomplished pianist than Patrick. And, yes, he shows years of dedicated study. Again, kudos to him for attempting that repertoire. But all of this doesn't automatically mean that he's "very good."

The motivation for my post was operagirl's snide remark, not to diss Armin. :P