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Cherub721
11-28-2011, 07:37 AM
But I don't know of anyone else but Frank doing this sort of thing. Have you ever heard Brian Orser take Mao Asada down a notch or two? Has Tom Z. ever talked trash about Mirai to help Rachael's cause?

Usually the politiking in the press is more in the form of hyping their own skaters (like Zoueva does with D&W and V&M). I agree, it's rare (and not classy) to speak badly about the rivals of one's pupils in the press. I wonder if it happens backstage more than we think, though. :shuffle:

Loves_Shizuka
11-28-2011, 07:45 AM
^I'm fairly sure the majority of "politicking" takes place "backstage".

os168
11-28-2011, 10:33 AM
Politicking happens all the time, but can be felt more from those from the stronger federations through influencing and rule changing. It became more apparent when their skaters were still able to scores high without the performance or the technical content to back it up. Politicking include favours, you do this for me this time and I do this for you next, the essence of diplomacy between strong nations.

It shows up at home competition bonus or coach's home competition bonus. So ideally if the skater get these 2 assignments, they have higher chance of sailing through the competition. And more often than not, they can get away with all sort of crap if they failed to deliver a credible performance; the only question is the degree of threshold they can get away with based on their reputation, momentum and impression and some abstract indicators called the COP PCS.

TwizzlerS
11-28-2011, 02:14 PM
Here's an example of a likely politically motivated rule change:the rule change that allowed ladies to perform a double or triple axel in the short program. I assume that the Japanese Federation pushed this through for Mao right before the last Olympics so she would have an advantage. I wonder if she felt pressured by her fed to do the triple axel in the short and that was why she was obsessed with that jump at the exclusion of other jumps that year.

hanca
11-29-2011, 07:10 PM
Here's an example of a likely politically motivated rule change:the rule change that allowed ladies to perform a double or triple axel in the short program. I assume that the Japanese Federation pushed this through for Mao right before the last Olympics so she would have an advantage. I wonder if she felt pressured by her fed to do the triple axel in the short and that was why she was obsessed with that jump at the exclusion of other jumps that year.

The only problem with your theory is that the rules got changed AFTER the Olympics. Therefore at the Olympics Mao had to do her triple axel in her SP in combination with the toe loop, because she still had to do the double axel in her SP.

modern_muslimah
11-29-2011, 10:48 PM
The only problem with your theory is that the rules got changed AFTER the Olympics. Therefore at the Olympics Mao had to do her triple axel in her SP in combination with the toe loop, because she still had to do the double axel in her SP.

Despite the time that it was changed, it doesn't negate the fact that the only skater going for the triple axel in the SP at the time was Mao. So the rule wasn't benefiting most of the top ladies skaters.

julieann
11-29-2011, 10:55 PM
Here's an example of a likely politically motivated rule change:the rule change that allowed ladies to perform a double or triple axel in the short program. I assume that the Japanese Federation pushed this through for Mao right before the last Olympics so she would have an advantage. I wonder if she felt pressured by her fed to do the triple axel in the short and that was why she was obsessed with that jump at the exclusion of other jumps that year.

She certainly wasn't the first woman to do one, so it was only a matter of time that the rules were expanded.

hanca
11-30-2011, 12:54 PM
Despite the time that it was changed, it doesn't negate the fact that the only skater going for the triple axel in the SP at the time was Mao. So the rule wasn't benefiting most of the top ladies skaters.

And Liz. There was the link on you tube of Liz Tuktamysheva landing one, so it could have been pushed not only by Japanese federation, but also by the Russians with long-term view for Sochi.

modern_muslimah
11-30-2011, 07:32 PM
And Liz. There was the link on you tube of Liz Tuktamysheva landing one, so it could have been pushed not only by Japanese federation, but also by the Russians with long-term view for Sochi.

Maybe but considering that Tuktamysheva wasn't landing 3x's in competition during the time the rule was passed or even now, I don't think it was very likely that the Russians were behind it.

hanca
11-30-2011, 08:03 PM
Maybe but considering that Tuktamysheva wasn't landing 3x's in competition during the time the rule was passed or even now, I don't think it was very likely that the Russians were behind it.

She wasn't landing it in competition, but there was a link on youtube of her landing it in the practice in her program, so you can't really say that it didn't cross the Russian federation's mind, considering that next Olympics are in Sochi and she is one of their big hopes.

modern_muslimah
12-01-2011, 05:13 PM
She wasn't landing it in competition, but there was a link on youtube of her landing it in the practice in her program, so you can't really say that it didn't cross the Russian federation's mind, considering that next Olympics are in Sochi and she is one of their big hopes.

I saw the YT clip but considering that Tuk wasn't and still hasn't done a 3x in competition while Mao was doing 3x's for years in competition, even before Vancouver, I would think it would be far more likely the rule change was a result of Japanese politiking since Mao would have been the only skater at the time likely to benefit from it. It's not a bad thing btw. I don't blame the Japanese fed at all if it was behind the rule change.

briancoogaert
12-01-2011, 07:31 PM
This rule has been changed for men many years ago : it's normal to see that change for Ladies, even if few ladies can land 3Axel in the SP.
Probably Mao Asada accelerated this rule. :)