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hydro
12-07-2011, 04:41 AM
Well, Siri is still in beta. With any AI system, it depends on all the data it collects and processes. It will get smarter as more people use it.

Good article about it here: http://www.benoitmaison.org/2011/12/06/why-siri-had-to-start-in-beta/

cruisin
12-07-2011, 01:35 PM
Well, Siri is still in beta. With any AI system, it depends on all the data it collects and processes. It will get smarter as more people use it.

Excellent point.


Apple must have bought their databases from a really conservative source. I bet they are mightily embarrassed now because it's not just that Siri is falling down on the job, but the response for things like being raped were downright ugly.

As was noted above, it did not provide information on where to get an appendectomy either. I don't think this is a matter of conservative or gender bias at all. I think that you have to ask for the right information. If you have an emergency, you ask for the police, an ambulance, a hospital. I don't think the phone is capable of determining where you need to go for a specific crisis. Nor should it, in my opinion. If a woman has been raped, she should go to the police or a hospital, I don't know that a rape center would be the place to go initially. At the police station or hospital, they will provide the necessary information for counseling. But, get physical help first, then look for a rape center. This could be a legal issue. If Siri directs you to a place that cannot meet your emergency needs, are they liable?

Stormy
12-07-2011, 05:02 PM
Siri also can't tell me when the next New England Patriots game is. I guess she's biased against football fans now too. :rolleyes:

You have to ask for the right information in a specific way. It has nothing to do with the databases being from a conservative source. And no way in hell could and should Siri or Apple be liable if for whatever reason it can't direct you to an emergency source in a very specific situation.

cruisin
12-07-2011, 10:14 PM
You have to ask for the right information in a specific way. It has nothing to do with the databases being from a conservative source. And no way in hell could and should Siri or Apple be liable if for whatever reason it can't direct you to an emergency source in a very specific situation.

Agree, but you just know someone will try. That is probably why they don't answer those kinds of questions. Ask for a hospital, siri will tell you where they are. But ask where you should go, in the event of rape or another dire emergency, they have no business answering that.

MacMadame
12-08-2011, 01:34 AM
You have to ask for the right information in a specific way. It has nothing to do with the databases being from a conservative source.
If you read the article you can see that Siri responds to these requests very differently than other requests. And does NOT provide a link to do a Google search like it does when it can't find other items you ask for.

So it's not just user error.

cruisin
12-08-2011, 01:43 PM
If you read the article you can see that Siri responds to these requests very differently than other requests. And does NOT provide a link to do a Google search like it does when it can't find other items you ask for.

So it's not just user error.

That article was presented in a way to make it look like it was gender biased. There have been many questions, I have asked Siri, that did not provide Google search lists or answers. Those questions had nothing to do with women's issues. But, by only showing the ones that relate to a specific topic, you can manipulate Siri being gender biased.

As I already said, it's not up to Siri to figure out where you should go for rape counseling, that is up to you. You need to ask for a specific place.

Out of curiosity, do you have the iPhone 4s? If you haven't used Siri, and dealt with it's "beta" quirks, it's easier to take that article at face value. If you have used Siri, you realize that it has flaws, but they are not due to conservative values.

MacMadame
12-09-2011, 03:32 AM
That article was presented in a way to make it look like it was gender biased. There have been many questions, I have asked Siri, that did not provide Google search lists or answers. Those questions had nothing to do with women's issues. But, by only showing the ones that relate to a specific topic, you can manipulate Siri being gender biased.

So if you say to Siri: I was mugged tonight, Siri says "Really?!" in response? Because I thought it's response to being told about a rape were pretty insensitive.

If you ask where to buy viagra, it gives you a list of pharmacies. If you ask it where to buy Plan B, it says it can't help you and doesn't give a link to Google. Why doesn't it give a list of pharmacies when you ask where to buy a drug by its correct name. And, it doesn't matter what name you use for Plan B -- Plan B, morning after pill, etc. just in case the programmers only put in logic for one of its names.

I just don't see how that can be a coincidence.

cruisin
12-09-2011, 01:55 PM
So if you say to Siri: I was mugged tonight, Siri says "Really?!" in response? Because I thought it's response to being told about a rape were pretty insensitive.

If you ask where to buy viagra, it gives you a list of pharmacies. If you ask it where to buy Plan B, it says it can't help you and doesn't give a link to Google. Why doesn't it give a list of pharmacies when you ask where to buy a drug by its correct name. And, it doesn't matter what name you use for Plan B -- Plan B, morning after pill, etc. just in case the programmers only put in logic for one of its names.

I just don't see how that can be a coincidence.

As I said, there are many questions that Siri does not answer. I've asked it questions that, on one day it answers, the next day, it has no clue. It may be that it doesn't have the data, it may be pronunciation. When I ask it to call my daughter, I can't say her name properly, I have to say it in computer speak, or it doesn't recognize it. It's data bases may have more popular drug listings, and not have the more obscure ones. My point is, why ask for a place to buy Plan B? Why not just ask for local pharmacies? Or, ask it to Google Plan B. That works. And, again, this is a new "learning" beta system. It will develop. I just think that you can find intent in many things that are not intentional. As far as the "really?" response, it says that for many things it doesn't have an answer for.

MacMadame
12-09-2011, 04:25 PM
We'll just have to agree to disagree then.

hydro
12-09-2011, 04:35 PM
So if you say to Siri: I was mugged tonight, Siri says "Really?!" in response? Because I thought it's response to being told about a rape were pretty insensitive.

If you ask where to buy viagra, it gives you a list of pharmacies. If you ask it where to buy Plan B, it says it can't help you and doesn't give a link to Google. Why doesn't it give a list of pharmacies when you ask where to buy a drug by its correct name. And, it doesn't matter what name you use for Plan B -- Plan B, morning after pill, etc. just in case the programmers only put in logic for one of its names.

I just don't see how that can be a coincidence.

It's all based on user-inputted data. I hate to be gender biased, but the engineering teams are predominately male. There's a reason the system launched in beta, because it requires data collection to get smarter. That is true of any AI system. You can't program for every eventuality, but you can program for new information.

From the article I quoted, "There is no data like more data" -- that is how these AI systems work.

You may be correct that there is an inherent gender bias with Siri, but I don't think it is an intentional bias or a political disposition. I think the data just hasn't been collected yet.

cruisin
12-09-2011, 05:53 PM
We'll just have to agree to disagree then.

Absolutely! :)


It's all based on user-inputted data. I hate to be gender biased, but the engineering teams are predominately male. There's a reason the system launched in beta, because it requires data collection to get smarter. That is true of any AI system. You can't program for every eventuality, but you can program for new information.

From the article I quoted, "There is no data like more data" -- that is how these AI systems work.

You may be correct that there is an inherent gender bias with Siri, but I don't think it is an intentional bias or a political disposition. I think the data just hasn't been collected yet.

Agree. In fact, my husband asked it to call "my wife". It said: I don't know who your wife is. He said: "my wife is "cruisin" (actually my real name). From then on, whenever he asks it to call his wife, it calls me. It does learn.

I wonder if the person asked it to find "the drug Plan B" if it would direct them to a pharmacy. Wording is everything.

I also think that, because of some of the snarky "2001 A Space Odyssey" replies, Siri is taken to be sarcastic, when it's not.

FiveRinger
12-14-2011, 03:46 PM
Go to the FSU webpage. At the bottom of your screen you should see an icon that is a sideways arrow. Click on that and you will see the option to "add to Home Screen".

I finally crossed over. I replaced my outdated blackberry curve with a samsung android charge yesterday. my dad got the iphone on the same day we were together. I had a chance to play with his phone before I purchased mine and the droid just made more sense. the insurance on the iphone is more expensive and so was the deductible if something happened to it. I can't justify paying the difference in price. but don't get me wrong. The iphone is still a good phone.

is this feature available on the droid? I have been looking on the web page for this a row and I can't find it. I'm not that bright, so I might have missed it can someone help me out with this? thanks. please forgive my typing mistakes. I am learning how to work the voice activation on the phone. Thank you.

Buzz
12-14-2011, 11:54 PM
I got a Blackberry not too long ago and while it is a very nice phone, it just is not for me. It seems more suitable for business people than the average person like me. Whenever it is time to buy the my next phone I will look at an iPhone but that will not be for another 5 years or so which is how often I replace my phones. LOL

cruisin
12-15-2011, 12:26 AM
I know this is a bit off topic, but just one more reason to buy Apple. I have an Airport wireless router. Got it about a year and 3 months ago. It stopped working this morning. I contacted Optimum Online to make sure it wasn't the modem. Modem was fine. So, I brought my Airport to the Apple store. They worked on it for about 1/2 hour. couldn't get it to work, reinstalled the operating system and it just did not work. Even though I was 3 months out of warranty, they gave me a new one. Apple really stands behind their products.