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aftershocks
11-11-2011, 04:43 AM
The below Eurosport link to S/S dynamic free program this season, choreographed by Ingo Steuer, is great b/c the Eurosport commentator doesn't over-talk during the performance, but at the end, he talks informatively about the program and what S/S/S are trying to accomplish, and a bit about the training that has gone into creating their free program.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhhrNnwvFDI&feature=related

Here are links to clips from the documentary film, Pina, which inspired Ingo's choreography.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXpFD7gi8R0 Trailer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMblvepUvgk&feature=relmfu clip 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1qh-gZtqWs clip 2

I agree with the Eurosport commentator that it will be great if the program can further evolve with trying to "squeeze" more of the modern dance-type elements into their linking moves.

"Trying to push the barriers, trying to do something different. [They've] got nothing to prove."

Sylvia
11-11-2011, 04:48 AM
Here's an earlier thread in GSD in which a pre-Skate America interview link with Szolkowy is posted -- “Our new free program? You'll either love it or you'll hate it!”: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?t=80583

aftershocks
11-11-2011, 09:12 PM
Thanks Sylvia.

I found this wonderful tribute to Savchenko/ Szolkowy/ Steuer on youtube. They are all three skating together too at several points in this tribute montage (must have been a clip taken from a special performance they gave together in Germany). Wowsa -- somewhat reminiscent of Johnny, Denis and Melissa in Fallen Angels Trio).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ink33IiT9sw&feature=related

I really admire the three of them, and its fun to see them all three together on the ice. Actually, they are all three together on the ice always. Whenever Robin and Aliona are out there -- Ingo is with them too. Wish I could find a full clip of their trio performance.

Maybe they might think about creating a sp or fp to music from Three Musketeers soundtrack. All for one, and one for all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1odL9XoN7qQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYnd4NI1qs0&feature=related

Ingo was a champion skater with Mandy Woetzel, and he seems to have carried that winning desire and eagerness to always try something different into his coaching career.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3uOI9nP6k0&feature=fvsr W/S montage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZsKQg7asuU&feature=related 1998 Olymp fp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiplsG-HdVE&feature=related 1998 Olymp sp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z73t2cq2Rzg&feature=related 1995 Europeans

zilam98
11-11-2011, 09:27 PM
how ironic that pairs work with dance choreographers now more than ice dancers do

aftershocks
11-12-2011, 09:48 PM
A setback at NHK Trophy for S/S in their programs. I look forward to them working things through and skating both programs to their maximum level as the season progresses.

professordeb
11-13-2011, 02:30 PM
Yeah, there were some glitches in NHK but can I just say that I really, really enjoyed the program and think it if gets skated cleanly that it should easily win over anything else out there. Gooooo S/S

viennese
11-14-2011, 02:49 PM
The Pina Bausch FS is fascinating. I'm so psyched to see the documentary. For now, though, seeing this dynamic interpretation of the film's music, with even a few modern dance moves incorporated into pairs skating, is thrilling.

l'etoile
11-14-2011, 03:46 PM
As much I love their programs this season as I've always been, it's really bombing and hard to see them struggling with their new big trick-trow 3A. It's messing with their other elements IMO, and there's no time to set back with V/T chasing them so closely:( Is it too much to worry about it this early in the season?

antmanb
11-14-2011, 04:46 PM
As much I love their programs this season as I've always been, it's really bombing and hard to see them struggling with their new big trick-trow 3A. It's messing with their other elements IMO, and there's no time to set back with V/T chasing them so closely:( Is it too much to worry about it this early in the season?

I don't think it's worth worrying about. This is the best time to be trying a new element. If they are still struggling with the 3A by the time Europeans rolls around they can always substitute it for the rock solid 3F. At this stage they want to try the new element and give it as much competition mileage as they can. If they didn't, they'd never dare try new elements.

orbitz
11-14-2011, 05:17 PM
Alonia is thrown so high on the 3A that I think it makes it extra difficult for her to complete that move successfully. If you look at previous pairs that had done/attempted the jump, the girl is thrown more outward than upward.

julieann
11-14-2011, 05:45 PM
I love their free skate and I'm sure they are working out the issues. As far as the short program goes, I'm not such a big fan of it, but I do think they are so close on the 3Ath they should keep trying it. I would try it again at COR since S/S and K/S are not only already in the GPF but they are a lock for medals in Russia as well. I would stop trying it at the GPF, Euros and Worlds if they can't get it together, it too risky point wise.

la.louise
11-14-2011, 07:53 PM
I love their free skate and I'm sure they are working out the issues. As far as the short program goes, I'm not such a big fan of it, but I do think they are so close on the 3Ath they should keep trying it. I would try it again at COR since S/S and K/S are not only already in the GPF but they are a lock for medals in Russia as well. I would stop trying it at the GPF, Euros and Worlds if they can't get it together, it too risky point wise.

According to this: http://www.amerikawoche.com/news.php?id=408393 they will keep trying the throw 3axel. They say that sometimes you have to take one step back to go two steps forward.

aftershocks
11-14-2011, 11:33 PM
I agree S/S should continue trying the throw 3-axel, and orbitz makes a good point that Aliona may be too high in the air right now, so they need to take a look at that and rework. If the jump is not solid by Europeans, it will be interesting to see if they try it there -- probably they will, but maybe not at Worlds if they haven't been able to land it comfortably in competition before then.

I find the modern dance element very refreshing. It would be great to see if they could "squeeze" in more elements from the film -- lol if Aliona was able to carry Robin on her back like at :34 in the below clip. I also like :55 - 1:00, especially at the end of that section when the man reveals himself and swings the woman around and around. The :20 -:27 section is not really hinted at, or maybe it is a bit in their spiral sequence, and they definitely use some of :13 - :15; :20 - :27; and :48 - :52.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXpFD7gi8R0

That :13 - :15 fall forward of the woman almost seems as if she's a mannequin and not real. The trust you would have to have in your partner to pitch forward like that when your partner is so far away! But I guess skaters naturally have that trust with the dangerous lifts they do all the time.

I think the program opening that Ingo crafted and that S/S perform is genius, and obviously very difficult, and the timing must be exact. Wishing S/S great luck, joie de vivre, and perfect timing. Thanks S/S/S!

la.louise
11-15-2011, 10:59 AM
I agree S/S should continue trying the throw 3-axel, and orbitz makes a good point that Aliona may be too high in the air right now, so they need to take a look at that and rework. If the jump is not solid by Europeans, it will be interesting to see if they try it there -- probably they will, but maybe not at Worlds if they haven't been able to land it comfortably in competition before then.

I find the modern dance element very refreshing. It would be great to see if they could "squeeze" in more elements from the film -- lol if Aliona was able to carry Robin on her back like at :34 in the below clip. I also like :55 - 1:00, especially at the end of that section when the man reveals himself and swings the woman around and around. The :20 -:27 section is not really hinted at, or maybe it is a bit in their spiral sequence, and they definitely use some of :13 - :15; :20 - :27; and :48 - :52.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXpFD7gi8R0

That :13 - :15 fall forward of the woman almost seems as if she's a mannequin and not real. The trust you would have to have in your partner to pitch forward like that when your partner is so far away! But I guess skaters naturally have that trust with the dangerous lifts they do all the time.

I think the program opening that Ingo crafted and that S/S perform is genius, and obviously very difficult, and the timing must be exact. Wishing S/S great luck, joie de vivre, and perfect timing. Thanks S/S/S!

I'm a modern dancer myself, so I just love love love this free skate. Very refreshing and different indeed. Great to see modern dance in pairs skating.
I think they also use a part of this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngs8XvCIvd8 0:11 - 0:21.

aftershocks
11-16-2011, 05:38 AM
I'm a modern dancer myself, so I just love love love this free skate. Very refreshing and different indeed. Great to see modern dance in pairs skating.
I think they also use a part of this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngs8XvCIvd8 0:11 - 0:21.

Yes, la.louise -- thanks for posting. I hadn't seen that clip. They do indeed use a bit of that when Aliona runs and jumps up onto Robin's chest, and at another point when he's kneeling and she stands up for a moment on his thigh, I think. Also weird to see the dance floor looking like ice and the guys pushing a stick and sliding across. I guess it looks like ice due to the water falling onto the stage in the background. I look forward to seeing the evolution of this fascinating free skate by S/S and Ingo, inspired by Pina Bausch.