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Sylvia
11-13-2011, 09:36 PM
Lovely performance of Adele's "Hometown Glory" by Abbott on NBC's Fashion on Ice broadcast today!

aftershocks
11-13-2011, 11:05 PM
^^ They showed only one performance by Jeremy, not the "Hometown Glory" in the white Mendel outfit. :(

Does anyone have a link to that performance?

lauravvv
11-13-2011, 11:07 PM
Lovely performance of Adele's "Hometown Glory" by Abbott on NBC's Fashion on Ice broadcast today!
Hope there will be a video available. I really liked that program at COC gala, even despite the mistakes. When he first performed it at 'All That Skate Spring', I thought his costume, some of the moves and the general feeling of it (although the theme is different) called for comparison with Lambiel's 'Ne me quitte pas' - mainly, a really unfortunate choice of costume :(. Then the comparison was not in his favour. But now he has changed the costume (:D), and it's not so anymore. I finally felt like this program is truly his own, and there is no need to compare it to anyone else.

lauravvv
11-13-2011, 11:08 PM
^^ They showed only one performance by Jeremy, not the "Hometown Glory" in the white Mendel outfit. :(
A pity :(.

Sylvia
11-13-2011, 11:17 PM
Since the "white Mendel outfit" had suspenders, I assume that chacked solo performance was an exhibition of his "Sing Sing Sing" SP?

A fan took videos (from far away) of Abbott's FS (partial) practice run throughs at CoC in Shanghai:
Nov. 3rd: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl1vZMpznSo
Nov. 5th: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zXuya1TQts

Anita18
11-14-2011, 11:55 PM
I don't wanna compare skaters, but I must say when watching skating live, speed makes a huge difference. I can see why judges give higher PCS across 5 components for skaters who are fast. It's just very exciting to watch.

On the other hand, the TV screen makes the little movements stand out more.
Absolutely. I'll never forget the times I watched Patrick Chan skate live. He just builds up so much speed so effortlessly, I could watch him for hours just stroking. :swoon: That's not easy, and it's a very rare ability. Carolina Kostner comes pretty close, but she doesn't build up the same power. And again with her, it's an ability that doesn't come across nearly as much on TV. You really have to see them both live to appreciate their skating.

Whereas with Jeremy, he really has to be skating a program for me to truly appreciate him. :) He really does have gorgeous programs, and he skates them with sensitivity that nobody else possesses.

Now if Patrick could also develop the same level of sensitivity (and every year he's been improving at this), then he'd be my perfect skater. ;) But Jeremy and Patrick both have different styles and I can definitely appreciate them both for what they offer.

dinakt
11-15-2011, 12:05 AM
I just need to write again that every time I rewatch Jeremy's LP I think:"That is absolutely amazing".

aftershocks
11-15-2011, 12:51 AM
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Now if Patrick could also develop the same level of sensitivity (and every year he's been improving at this), then he'd be my perfect skater. ;) But Jeremy and Patrick both have different styles and I can definitely appreciate them both for what they offer.

Do you mean sensitivity or artistry? Not exactly the same thing, although I would agree that Jeremy seems very thoughtful and sensitive ("capacity to respond to outer stimuli; emotional awareness"). This aspect of his personality can help and hurt.

Patrick seems to be trying to display artistic sensibility in his programs, but IMO, he's not really there yet, plus he doesn't really interpret the music as well as Jeremy and Dai. I think Patrick still has a level of immaturity in his skating, which should not be surprising since he is still maturing (he's been around since age 16, so its easy to forget he's not 21 yet -- his birthday is in December).

Anita18
11-15-2011, 01:13 AM
Do you mean sensitivity or artistry? Not exactly the same thing, although I would agree that Jeremy seems very thoughtful and sensitive ("capacity to respond to outer stimuli; emotional awareness"). This aspect of his personality can help and hurt.

Patrick seems to be trying to display artistic sensibility in his programs, but IMO, he's not really there yet, plus he doesn't really interpret the music as well as Jeremy and Dai. I think Patrick still has a level of immaturity in his skating, which should not be surprising since he is still maturing (he's been around since age 16, so its easy to forget he's not 21 yet -- his birthday is in December).
I mean "sensitivity" as in "artistry that actually kind of quantifiable." :lol: Knowing when to push and when to pull back. Jeremy has moments in his LP where he does just a soft, small movement but he does it in the spirit of the music, so much so that it takes your breath away. Bringing his arm down during his last spin is one of those moments. Such a little thing, but it means so much.

Patrick's not at that level yet, his bread-and-butter is his sheer skating ability. He's all push, but he's been improving. But soaring dramatic music definitely suits his style, I don't see him ever doing a quiet, introspective, and sensitive program like Jeremy's successfully.

aftershocks
11-15-2011, 02:17 AM
I mean "sensitivity" as in "artistry that actually kind of quantifiable." :lol: Knowing when to push and when to pull back. Jeremy has moments in his LP where he does just a soft, small movement but he does it in the spirit of the music, so much so that it takes your breath away. Bringing his arm down during his last spin is one of those moments. Such a little thing, but it means so much.

Patrick's not at that level yet, his bread-and-butter is his sheer skating ability. He's all push, but he's been improving. But soaring dramatic music definitely suits his style, I don't see him ever doing a quiet, introspective, and sensitive program like Jeremy's successfully.

This I would agree. Jeremy's program is breathtaking, and even those who don't like his style of skating have been moved by his fp this season.

When you are an intuitive, sensing, feeling person it is possible to over think and analyze too much, instead of relaxing. With his two programs this season, I think Jeremy seems to be able to relax more and let the music take him, while still maintaining the focus but not the over-thinking should he make a mistake re his jumps. If a skater makes a mistake, it's important to get quickly back into the flow of the program, and not tense up.

Definitely Patrick's personality seems suited to the music choices he makes, but who knows, to stretch himself a switch might be in order.

Allskate
11-15-2011, 02:25 AM
Matt Savoie was unlucky politically, and his introspective and shy personality did not help win him any influence with the judges. Matt left an important legacy nonetheless. His programs can be watched over and over again, and be enjoyed and find something new to admire every time.

I was thinking of Matt Savoie when I saw Jeremy's long program last week. Both because of the transitions and because of the subtlety and restraint. I always thought that Matt did not get enough credit for his transitions, choregoraphy, and difficulty. There were times when a certain skater beloved by judges would do little besides crossovers between elements would get higher transition and choreography scores than Matt would, and it drove me crazy. I have sometimes thought that Jeremy similarly did not get enough credit, so I was happy to see that he did get a lot of credit for his long program last week.


Lovely performance of Adele's "Hometown Glory" by Abbott on NBC's Fashion on Ice broadcast today!

My NBC station apparently is boycotting skating this year, so if anyone has a link to a particularly good video, it would be greatly appreciated.

joyceloop
11-15-2011, 04:34 AM
My NBC station apparently is boycotting skating this year, so if anyone has a link to a particularly good video, it would be greatly appreciated.

Just find this:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbJDAF4CaKI

calbskate
11-15-2011, 05:25 AM
On NBC this weekend, Peter Carruthers and Terry Gannon called Daisuke's free skate the best skate of the season so far...I don't think they meant it was Daisuke's best skate, but the best long program from all the men this season...what do you guys think? I personally love Jeremy's much much more.

jlai
11-15-2011, 05:37 AM
Well, this is a Jeremy thread so we need to gush about him without comparing him to other skaters who may be just as good. That said, Dai did land more jumps, so that would put him ahead for now.

Anita18
11-15-2011, 05:42 AM
Just find this:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbJDAF4CaKI
With choreography and skating like that, who needs jumps? :swoon: