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seaner00
11-04-2011, 09:26 PM
Is this her list of the best all-time or just some random olympic/world champions she thought of? I couldn't tell the difference :P

kwanette
11-04-2011, 09:51 PM
For each of the ladies there is a video to view, ie, Sarah's OLY lp, MK's Salome..I thought maybe it was the performace of one skater vs the performance of others..which is why Sarah, for example, was higher than MK.

euterpe
11-04-2011, 10:13 PM
I don't see how she didn't put Carol Heiss on the list. Like Michele Kwan, Carol was a 5-time World Champion, but she won hers in consecutive years, 1956 through 1960. She was also the 1960 Olympic gold medalwinner and the 1956 silver Olympic medalwinner.

thumbyskates
11-04-2011, 10:29 PM
Evidently it is PJ's list of who she'd choose to skate in a fantasy competition between the 10 best of all time, ranked in order of how they'd finish in this magical event if PJ were the sole judge.

That's why - as it says, it's PJ's list of WHO she'd personally choose to skate in a fantasy competition (not the best, not all the winners, or the classics)...just plain old skaters she enjoyed watching and would go in a skate-off.

If those were the 10 skaters, she put them in the order she thinks they'd finish on a level playing field.

Not much for debate, except to add who you would choose in your top 10 skate-off.

kwanfan1818
11-04-2011, 10:57 PM
I don't see how she didn't put Carol Heiss on the list. Like Michele Kwan, Carol was a 5-time World Champion, but she won hers in consecutive years, 1956 through 1960. She was also the 1960 Olympic gold medalwinner and the 1956 silver Olympic medalwinner.

For her first she also beat the reigning World and Olympic champion at that champion's last Worlds, the kind of hierarchy-breaking that was rare in the time of figures.

marbri
11-04-2011, 11:07 PM
Just to keep track this "stupid, idiot, no credibility, hack" should have put the following skaters on her fantasy list of ten instead of the Canadian-centric list she presented (even though only 3 of the 10 were Canadian, although I know some are going to insist on using Hughes for their argument :P):

1.Tara Lipinski
2.Mao Asada
3.Kristi Yamaguchi
4. Joannie Rochette
5. Irina Slutskaya
6. Janet Lynn
7. Owen *
8. Colledge *
9. Peggy Flemming
10. Shizukai Arakawa
11. Sasha Cohen
12. Trixi Shuba
13. Carol Heiss

and of the ones she had on her list I gather the following are acceptable to most:

14. Michelle Kwan
15. Sonje Henie
16. Midori Ito
17. Katerina Witt
18. Yuna Kim
19. Dorothy Hamill

Maybe if she typed smaller she could squeeze them all into a top ten list :D

*I don't know who #īs 7 and 8 are but I'm certain they were more than deserving of a spot

Ares
11-05-2011, 12:13 AM
Not to beat a dead horse but when I saw Sarah Hughes I stopped and went back to re-read the instructions to see if there was a "not including" list that I missed..:shuffle:

Cachoo
11-05-2011, 12:25 AM
It is PJ's list. I am sure we would all have our own.

Agreed. This would not be my list but I like reading why this is PJ's list. Interesting reasons and wonderful memories....

MacMadame
11-05-2011, 01:21 AM
For each of the ladies there is a video to view, ie, Sarah's OLY lp, MK's Salome..I thought maybe it was the performace of one skater vs the performance of others..which is why Sarah, for example, was higher than MK.

So she's saying Sarah's performance of her Olympic LP to whatever was better than Michelle's magical performance of Salome? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Ares
11-05-2011, 05:28 AM
Another thing that, although she clearly stated it was her opinion, still had me a little :confused:, was her reason for Kwan:

"When she skated her Salome program on her way to becoming the 1996 world champion, she became the first skater for me whose choreography and music were an integral part of the program and not just a backdrop for jumps and spins."

It was a beautiful Gold medal worthy performance of course, but the first to have choreography and music as an integral part of the program? For one, Chen Lu had a program with those traits just minutes before that, not to mention all the great artists from the years past. Baiul was able to use music and choreography as an integral part of the program to an extent that she didn't even need the technical elements in the program to win major competitions. :P

VIETgrlTerifa
11-05-2011, 05:29 AM
Another thing that, although she clearly stated it was her opinion, still had me a little :confused:, was her reason for Kwan:

"When she skated her Salome program on her way to becoming the 1996 world champion, she became the first skater for me whose choreography and music were an integral part of the program and not just a backdrop for jumps and spins."

It was a beautiful Gold medal worthy performance of course, but the first to have choreography and music as an integral part of the program? For one, Chen Lu had a program with those traits just minutes before that, not to mention all the great artists from the years past. Baiul was able to use music and choreography as an integral part of the program to an extent that she didn't even need the technical elements in the program to win major competitions. :P

Hahahahahaha!

doubleflutz
11-05-2011, 07:23 AM
It was a beautiful Gold medal worthy performance of course, but the first to have choreography and music as an integral part of the program?

But if PJ acknowledged that, how would she suck up to Canadian Choreographic Luminary Lori Nichol? Clearly, MK's success was just a pre-saging of the glory of Patrick Chan, like all those Biblical prophecies in the "Old Testament" that were re-interpreted to foretell the coming of Jesus ex-post-facto.

You could really just replace PJ Kwong's articles with a bunch of copy&pasted lines reading "CANADA CANADA CANADA CANADA CANADA". They'd probably be more interesting that way anyway.

professordeb
11-05-2011, 12:20 PM
Do some of you purposely leave out words in the article so it reads the way you want.
PJ said

she became the first skater for me whose choreography and music were an integral part of the program and not just a backdrop for jumps and spins."
Note the bolded words - for me. She didn't say Kwan was the first skater EVER, only that Kwan was the first for her! Sheesh people, give the woman a break and read what it actually there without putting such a spin on it.

Oh yeah, I forgot, this is FSU and we like to put our own spin on things :)

Zemgirl
11-05-2011, 01:27 PM
7. Owen *
8. Colledge *

Maybe if she typed smaller she could squeeze them all into a top ten list :D

*I don't know who #īs 7 and 8 are but I'm certain they were more than deserving of a spot
That's not in sarcasm font, right? Okay then - I assume that Owen is Laurence Owen, who sadly did not have the opportunity to accomplish enough to be on a top ten list. Colledge is the great Cecilia Colledge, certainly a better choice for a top ten list than some of PJ's picks.

And yes, lots of good suggestions have come up in this thread - more than enough to put together a nice alternative top ten (probably a better one than PJ's ;)).

professordeb, even with the addition of "for me" it still doesn't makes much sense IMO... for someone to argue that Kwan was the first whose "choreography and music were an integral part of the program and not just a backdrop for jumps and spins" makes me wonder what exactly that person has been watching over the years - surely it suggests that some great performances were missed or ignored.

bek
11-05-2011, 01:34 PM
I think its difficult to have a top 10 list calling for all of skating because the skaters of past times get the raw end of the deal. This being said the Canadian ties thing is silly.

Also how is Hughes higher ranked than Asada? Hughes was pretty much a one hit wonder. The Olympics was the only major competition she ever won, and she won it in a splat fest/with others not skating well. And her win was questionable too with the the underrotated jumps. Hughes never even won her own Nationals. (Now of course Yagudin never won his, but he won every other major title, so we will leave that alone)
Asada in contrast has won every major title in this sport but the Olympics and has won several. She lost the Olympics landing 3 freaking triple axels so it wasn't that she skated poorly. And part of what her was things like edge calls on 3lutzs that Hughes NEVER had to deal with.