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pani
12-12-2011, 05:58 PM
and the next day he has to go to the rink and look Charlie & Meryl in the face? Can you say AWKWARD?? I just don't see how it is possible for Shpilband & Zueva to coach both teams without there being hurt feelings.

Maybe like Meryl-Charlie look in the T-S faces after Meryl said at 4CC they dont care what happened with Tessa, or like they look at T-S after they show there reaction on T-S marks at OG and 2010 WCh.
We dont know what is going in Canton and maybe Scott know more, then we all? Something not right in all this situation, because even when journalists talking with Scott about Scali said they are not dancing on ice, Scott didnt care about that comment a lot. Again, at TEB they were OK with french journalist commente about there component score. What was wrong this time?
I think maybe Scott and tessa are under big stress now....

marbri
12-12-2011, 06:12 PM
Maybe like Meryl-Charlie look in the T-S faces after Meryl said at 4CC they dont care what happened with Tessa, or like they look at T-S after they show there reaction on T-S marks at OG and 2010 WCh.
We dont know what is going in Canton and maybe Scott know more, then we all? Something not right in all this situation, because even when journalists talking with Scott about Scally said they are not dancing on ice, Scott didnt care about that comment a lot. Again, at TEB they were OK with french journalist commente about there component score. What was wrong this time?
I think maybe Scott and tessa are under big stress now....

I would imagine that's what it always boils down to when skaters say these things, stress and pressure. No matter the smiles throughout the season and saying they don't look at the scores we know they did (everyone did) but maybe still felt it would be different in a head to head. To lose that head to head in the FD in Canada must have been like getting a bucket of cold water dumped on you ie.. you have no choice but to wake up and start thinking of plan B.

Btw...what is Scally?

Rafter
12-12-2011, 06:20 PM
Maybe like Meryl-Charlie look in the T-S faces after Meryl said at 4CC they dont care what happened with Tessa, or like they look at T-S after they show there reaction on T-S marks at OG and 2010 WCh.
We dont know what is going in Canton and maybe Scott know more, then we all? Something not right in all this situation, because even when journalists talking with Scott about Scally said they are not dancing on ice, Scott didnt care about that comment a lot. Again, at TEB they were OK with french journalist commente about there component score. What was wrong this time?
I think maybe Scott and tessa are under big stress now....

I don't really understand what you're saying here but the difference is that Scali was misquoted about V&M and D&W's skating/programs whereas here (at least to me) Scott is complaining about the judging, not about D&W.

jenji124
12-12-2011, 06:24 PM
I don't think he was out of line with his comments either. He's allowed to have an opinion and of course he is gonna think he and Tessa are the superior team. I would expect him to think that. It was also in the heat of the moment. This is the only title that they don't have, and it was a competition held in their own country. I can imagine that stung a little bit.

I've always thought it was an interesting dynamic to have 2 top teams in the World coached at the same place with the same coaches. We may finally be seeing signs that there are problems and it is a stressful enviroment.

Rafter
12-12-2011, 06:25 PM
And the thing is that it must be near impossible to coach two teams at that level who are direct rivals without favoring one of them slightly.

I completely agree with this.

It seems to me that Tessa & Scott are up against a wall. I mean, how can they train with Igor & Marina (and have trust in them) and compete against D&W when Marina has gone on record in the Russian press saying D&Ws FD is "her masterpiece"??? To me that is indirect politiking in favour of D&W on the part of Marina. I also think it's quite possible that Marina & Igor have decided to throw their weight behind D&W because who knows what Tessa's situation will be by the time 2014 rolls around.

Time to leave them, please!!!!

marbri
12-12-2011, 06:35 PM
This is all reminding me of the time people were telling B&A to leave. Just don't suggest Linichuk ;)

mia joy
12-12-2011, 06:39 PM
It seems to me that Tessa & Scott are up against a wall. I mean, how can they train with Igor & Marina (and have trust in them) and compete against D&W when Marina has gone on record in the Russian press saying D&Ws FD is "her masterpiece"???

Oh, for the love of God!

She called Mahler her masterpiece and she called Tessa and Scott G/G of ice dance. Wasn't that politicking against D/W? You guys only see what you wanna see. The truth is, Scott acted very immaturely and turned out arrogant as hell. He can think they're the best team in the world or the best team of the decade or the best team ever, but he should also be smart and classy enough not to say it out loud like that. Also, there is a phrase "we're disappointed" for the moments like this, which sounds a hell lot better than "it's a piss off".

I understand it was the emotions speaking, but if so, he should have known better and kept his mouth shut until he was more calmed down.

Also, pani you can say whatever you want about how you don't like Meryl and Charlie's skating but i won't let you insult them like that. They were always as classy as it gets in their defeats, something Scott should learn from them.

marbri
12-12-2011, 06:41 PM
Someone's lost ;)

pani
12-12-2011, 07:00 PM
I completely agree with this.

It seems to me that Tessa & Scott are up against a wall. I mean, how can they train with Igor & Marina (and have trust in them) and compete against D&W when Marina has gone on record in the Russian press saying D&Ws FD is "her masterpiece"??? To me that is indirect politiking in favour of D&W on the part of Marina. I also think it's quite possible that Marina & Igor have decided to throw their weight behind D&W because who knows what Tessa's situation will be by the time 2014 rolls around.

Time to leave them, please!!!!

I read at one russian forum, Marina said to one girl she love D-W FD the most and love V-M SD.
I must say before OG i saw her at CoR and she talk a lot about D-W programs (because they were there) and one journalist said she talk a lot about Mahler, because V-M were there/ But this season she talk about D-W programd all the time at any competition.
And i think coaches were pleased with there teams skate clean and they had the same result, so Scott maybe wnat to show - he disagree.


They were always as classy as it gets in their defeats, something Scott should learn from them.
Maybe he spend too many times with them?
But its all Scott - he couldnt made unhappy face behind his friends back, he said all this in face. Maybe he want to say
This is who i am. Nobody said you had to like it.

I think coaches could have both teams, but this teams need to spend most time not together. They could have two different choreogragfers (for example, Dean and Camerlengo), need to have different time on ice, different dance coaches ect.

kwanette
12-12-2011, 07:05 PM
This is all reminding me of the time people were telling B&A to leave. Just don't suggest Linichuk ;)

Exactly what I was thinking.

Rafter
12-12-2011, 07:08 PM
Oh, for the love of God!

She called Mahler her masterpiece and she called Tessa and Scott G/G of ice dance. Wasn't that politicking against D/W? You guys only see what you wanna see. The truth is, Scott acted very immaturely and turned out arrogant as hell. He can think they're the best team in the world or the best team of the decade or the best team ever, but he should also be smart and classy enough not to say it out loud like that. Also, there is a phrase "we're disappointed" for the moments like this, which sounds a hell lot better than "it's a piss off".

I understand it was the emotions speaking, but if so, he should have known better and kept his mouth shut until he was more calmed down.

Also, pani you can say whatever you want about how you don't like Meryl and Charlie's skating but i won't let you insult them like that. They were always as classy as it gets in their defeats, something Scott should learn from them.

I thought you said you were going to stay out of the V&M thread? Go away, please. :P

Rafter
12-12-2011, 07:11 PM
I read at one russian forum, Marina said to one girl she love D-W FD the most and love V-M SD.


I guess this explains Marina's (and Meryl's) disappointed look in the K&C when she saw D&Ws virtual tie with V&Ms score. ;)

pani
12-12-2011, 07:19 PM
I guess this explains Marina's (and Meryl's) disappointed look in the K&C when she saw D&Ws virtual tie with V&Ms score. ;)

Honestly its hard for me to read Z-Sh body language.
They look unhappy with D-W huge SD score for sure. Or look wonder.
So i dont know, because i was happy with T-S score in FD and didnt see any big problems, but Scott know better....
I dont know only could i belive in levels - it was canadian Techical specialist?

And its interesting - no quotes from Zueva or from Shpilband.

sequins
12-12-2011, 07:40 PM
Having fun catching up on all the posts since yesterday and all the descriptions of what piss off means :lol: Well at least we've changed from the doom, gloom it's over business to the it ain't over yet. The fire wasn't only lit under just V&M I see, but some of us as well. Good to see.

As soon as I read the paper this a.m. and saw what Scott said I thought 'uh-oh'. Not gonna be popular. Myself I don't have a problem with it. In the end I still think they will all remain friends, but this is business and they all understand that. In the past Canadian athletes have always been passive and accepting of their fate fair or not, and criticized for it. In recent years they've been encouraged to not be afraid of success and to be confident about wanting to be #1. This is a product of that and I don't care. Being #1 takes a bit of arrogance, sorry but it does, and when it's threatened it will come out. Granted I don't want to go back to the old days of ice dance drama and nastiness but a little never hurts. V&M will not go down without a fight and after the last few seasons it's so good to see. Not convinced they need a coaching change but they need to lay the law down with Z/S and if they can't/won't meet their needs they have to go.

As you know I like D&W and P&B and there programs are okay/good to me this year but I prefer V&M and after yesterday I'm sold on W&P program. For me V&M just have that something that you can not teach and it sells me everytime. Should they have won? Well of course not because of the fall but the marks are puzzling and the FD was theirs maybe by a hair but it was theirs IMO.

Hope this makes sense I'm rushing because I'm going to work in 25 mins. Have a good day everyone!

Doubletoe
12-12-2011, 07:48 PM
Scott's displeasure has nothing to do with his coaches or even the actual skating, IMO. He's upset that the judges didn't do the "right" thing by favoring the host nation's team. After all of the Canadian hoopla over biased judging in the past, I find this expectation of favoritism a little hypocritical, even though it may be a time-honored figure skating tradition.