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walei
11-27-2011, 03:36 PM
Okay we don't know what team S/Z are really thinking and I think this speculation is unhealthy especially with who S/Z loves more because of whatever reason.

I still don't think anything will change even if V/M change to a "better" FD (I still think Funny Face is perfectly fine). Nothing V/M can skate to and be able to win unless there is a change in the judging paradigm or D/W makes a mistake on an element.

pani
11-27-2011, 03:38 PM
Okay we don't know what team S/Z are really thinking and I think this speculation is unhealthy especially with who S/Z loves more because of whatever reason.

I still don't think anything will change even if V/M change to a "better" FD (I still think Funny Face is perfectly fine). Nothing V/M can skate to and be able to win unless there is a change in the judging paradigm or D/W makes a mistake on an element.

We discuss what coaches talking with press about - thats all ;)
And i agree - after that SD at CoR am sure - this something more and i dont sure even Mahler could recive the same score with D-W FD today, because judges dont care about skating at all.

Lissa
11-27-2011, 04:52 PM
Torvill & Dean skated to Let's Face the Music & Dance at the Olympics & were beaten badly by the Russian team, that says it all........sometimes the BEST team does not win.:lol:

That was one of the biggest jokes in figure skating history, if that could happen then anything is possible imo.


Still NO idea how D&W are getting that high of marks this early, seems the judges have decided to send a clear message to V&M they do not like Funny Face, so unless they change it, I think it's very obvious the GPF & World Champs for this season will be D&W.

Another big joke imo.:rolleyes:

Lissa
11-27-2011, 04:54 PM
Okay we don't know what team S/Z are really thinking and I think this speculation is unhealthy especially with who S/Z loves more because of whatever reason.

I still don't think anything will change even if V/M change to a "better" FD (I still think Funny Face is perfectly fine). Nothing V/M can skate to and be able to win unless there is a change in the judging paradigm or D/W makes a mistake on an element.



What do you mean by this? The judges have always been very positive with V&M, I can't figure out what has changed really...:confused:

VarBar
11-27-2011, 04:57 PM
And maybe Zueva thought - now North America on the top, lets gave them music, wich love North America, not Europe.


Well, as a European, I'd be curious to know how many North-Americans would have chosen that music for Tessa and Scott's free dance and how many of them can honestly say they are thrilled by it. And don't you think it would be wise of a choach/choreographer to pick music both Europe and North America love?



They won't change the FD and there's not enough time anyway.

I wasn't thinking of V/M switching to a brand-new program but just of their choreographers reworking Funny Face here and there, especially the last part. But after seeing the judges' reaction to another team's SD at Cup of Russia, I am quite tempted to believe V/M would be stuck with the silver medal no matter what they'd skate to.


I think it's quite clear that Shpilband is throwing all this weight behind D&W. That fluff piece during SA when he said 'Olympic Gold' for D&W in Sochi is the goal said it all right there.

At least he seems to be totally transparent in stating his intentions.;)

Should we now expect to see various 'experts' start spreading the rumor that Tess and Scott are losing their spark?;)

Lissa
11-27-2011, 04:59 PM
It's clear a break is coming, V&M do not need to be dealing with this BS since they are the Olympic Champs.

They need to leave & get new coaches next year, & if Marina is going on like that about D&W FD she is quite funny cause I have watched it & that FD is no masterpiece, she needs to dial it down & get a grip.:lol:

pani
11-27-2011, 05:07 PM
And don't you think it would be wise of a choach/choreographer to pick music both Europe and North America love?
I agree. But at SC i love this Fd, so i dont know nothing now :D


quite tempted to believe V/M would be stuck with the silver medal no matter what they'd skate to.
That is my point too :(


At least he seems to be totally transparent in stating his intentions.;)
Should we now expect to see various 'experts' start spreading the rumor that Tess and Scott are losing their spark?;)
I agree with this too :) Better if you know- your coach prefer your friends and you could have a choice what to do next, then like Zueva told them every day how she love them and then working on D-W gold.
Yes - a lot off people will be happy to find this rumors and how bad they are :lol:
Maybe this happened because USA FS federation much stronger and jave pressure on Z-S, when SC always happy and all canadian specialists and commentators all time talking how great D-W are ;)


I have watched it & that FD is no masterpiece
Dhe said "her masterpiece " so this could be not masterpiece for soem other people, but for it is :D

Lissa
11-27-2011, 05:08 PM
If V&M get the Silver again it will be the biggest joke in skating, when it is painfully obvious how much better they are than any other team (D&W included BTW) :rolleyes:

pani
11-27-2011, 05:21 PM
If V&M get the Silver again it will be the biggest joke in skating, when it is painfully obvious how much better they are than any other team (D&W included BTW) :rolleyes:

First step for gold - make sure judges, that your compititors are not so good, like they are in reality ;)
Especially its important to do with team, who skate so much better, then others :P

marbri
11-27-2011, 05:31 PM
Having slept on it I'm thinking now is probably not the best timing for freaking out.

Emdee
11-27-2011, 05:55 PM
Now IS the best time to freak out especially if we want Skate Canada to do anything about it. It time they lead a bit of a charge regarding the unfair marks at COR just so that T&S are treated fairly at the next two big comps.

Michael Slipchuk please take note of my statement and do some of your own politiking too- why leave that only to Z&S!

pani
11-27-2011, 05:57 PM
Now IS the best time to freak out especially if we want Skate Canada to do anything about it. It time they lead a bit of a charge regarding the unfair marks at COR just so that T&S are treated fairly at the next two big comps.

Michael Slipchuk please take note of my statement and do some of your own politiking too- why leave that only to Z&S!

Maybe its look funny, but could canadian fans send messages to SC GEO?

sliver98
11-27-2011, 06:03 PM
Virtue and Moir could do die fledermaus in their sleep you only have to look at their incredible exhibition of beethoveen violin concerto 1 in korea from a few years ago.

marbri
11-27-2011, 06:05 PM
They haven't actually skated against each other on the same ice in the same warm-up group for a direct back to back comparison. Itīll all become clearer after the GPF what programs are better received.

Rafter
11-27-2011, 06:14 PM
Cup Of Russia-were Davis & White really almost 18 points better than Weaver & Poje overall?.
Weaver & Poje free dance was much better for me than Davis & White.
Tessa & Scott are way ahead of them.
I just don't get why Davis & White are getting such high marks & to be that far ahead of others is insulting to the likes of Natalie & Fabian & Weaver & Poje.
Am I the only one who feels like this?.

I have a couple of theories but it's strictly speculation.

1. The USA doesn't have a dance judge at worlds. So I'm wondering if Marina & Igor are majorly politiking for D&W now (on the GP) to ensure enough momentum that they maintain their world title in March despite no US judge on the panel. It's also possible Marina is really invested in D&W now that Meryl is dating Fedor.

2. There is a school of thought out there that the ISU likes to "spread the wealth" in terms of handing out Gold medals to different countries. Perhaps there is a feeling that because the USA has no medal contender in Ladies, Men or Pairs that they need to give the US the ice dance title.

3. Another theory is that Marina and Igor are throwing their weight behind D&W because they are a safer bet. Who knows what the future holds for Tessa and maybe they won't even be competing a year from now, let alone in Sochi.

For me, I will never understand for the life of me the PCS marks D&W get. I watched D&W's SD and FD with the sound turned off and all I see is frantic, choppy, messy looking skating. They can do the tricks but they're not skating particularly close together, there's no line or matching leg unison, not very good posture, etc. I also see Meryl doing tons of little hops and jumps trying to reach for Charlie instead of doing long, flowing edges. And to me Charlie looks and skates like a freeskater, not an ice dancer.

My feeling is that V&M won't stay in past this year because what's the point? The only luring thing for them might be worlds in their hometown I suppose.