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Cherub721
11-27-2011, 04:12 AM
I think they used "Final" and "La Gare (Guy S'en Va)", but there may be another cut I'm missing (had to go by the soundtrack itself to guess). Those seem to be the two most prominent, though.

Thanks!

walei
11-27-2011, 04:26 AM
I think V/M should just skate to Funny Face and not change a thing, well maybe just tweak it a little. I doubt having a more "judges friendly" (whatever that means) FD will have any effect on the current state of scoring they are getting.

Besides, they look like they are enjoying Funny Face and they are having a great time dancing it. It is still a tremendously enjoyable program and with how things are looking Tessa and Scott should just skate to whatever music they enjoy and not thing about winning the big ones.

Bournekraatzfan
11-27-2011, 06:06 AM
Give it up guys. Meryl and Charlie are just as good or better than V/M. The two teams have no problem understanding this. Nor do they have a problem training together and sharing the same coaches.

More importantly, Meryl and Charlie kept working hard after the 2010 Olympics where for God's sakes, they absolutely deserved to score in first with their gorgeous and beautifully skated original dance! They didn't let second place in the OD and second place overall allow them to give up trying to be on top. Don't hate them and dis them for their talent and determination.

V/M deserve credit too for remaining hungry and continuing to work hard. I love V/M's different look in their SD continuing from the program they debuted at Worlds 2011.

Many of us are big fans of both teams and are happy to see strong performances from both teams on the GPF. I think they are both superb and am happy to see either team win gold.

I have watched the Olympic ODs of both teams over and over again (I recorded them on my DVR and wish I knew how to get them on youtube as i could not find D&W's) and they both skated beautifully. As wonderful as D&W were, I do believe V&M won both the OD and the competition fair and square (just as I believe D&W won worlds last year fair and square). V&M skated a very intricate program and made it look easy. I think they won based on things like better lines and free leg extensions, the point of their toes, and better timing (D&W seemed a slightly off the music in the final section).

I too think that D&W have worked very hard and deserve all their success. They are, as you have said, incredibly talented and determined. and, like you also mentioned, V&M have continued to work hard after the Olympics. They did not just expect to pull in high scores because of their reputation as OGMs.

I think they are two immensely talented teams who are really pushing each other and bringing the sport to new levels. Some people will like one team and not the other, others will like both. Hopefully we can all learn to coexist peacefully on FSU:)

and Chan gets a 10 from me on SS. I saw him live at SC last year and I was in awe....there are no words.

Bournekraatzfan
11-27-2011, 06:30 AM
Funny Face is one of my favourite programs V&M have ever done. With another team, this may just have been a cute program...but Tessa and Scott really bring the characters to life on the ice and embody the feeling that film elicits. This is not an easy task! I watch them and I am amazed at how close they skate, how they seem to generate speed out of nothing, how smooth they are and how easy they make everything look. Their solid technique really allows you to get swept away by the program--I really never want it to end, and when it does I feel like it went by so quickly. I think what they do better than anyone is highlight the differences in rhythm, and this program really highlights that with the various changes of tempo and beat. I consider this program a gem no matter where they finish this season.

Bournekraatzfan
11-27-2011, 06:55 AM
I never wanted B&A to move to Linichuk, remembering whining back then it would be the death of them. Linichuk's time has long passed.

I agree. I always wonder what B&A could have achieved in their last two seasons if they had had better coaches and choreographers. and I was disgusted by Linichuk's extremely arrogant and insensitive behaviour re: D&S's 2009/2010 OD. She is the last person I would want to see work with Tessa and Scott. I love the work Z&S are doing for them, though I wouldn't mind seeing input from an external source. Fresh eyes can pick up on things that the coaches you work with every day could miss.

bbkenn
11-27-2011, 07:07 AM
I think judges like d/w's fd more than v/m's ,so v/m should do some changes in their program if they don't want to change a new one.However,in the interview last week, Marina Zueva said mostly their work had been completed. I really can't understand.

This season is really important and hard for Tessa and Scott ,because I think if they lose this season,it will be much more difficult or even say it's almost impossible to beat Meryl and Charlie in the next two seasons and in the Sochi.

I totally disagree with this. Since when did V&M ever give up and so why should we? The season is not over. I think Funny Face is wonderful and will continue to get better. We need to trust them.

bbkenn
11-27-2011, 07:08 AM
Funny Face is one of my favourite programs V&M have ever done. With another team, this may just have been a cute program...but Tessa and Scott really bring the characters to life on the ice and embody the feeling that film elicits. This is not an easy task! I watch them and I am amazed at how close they skate, how they seem to generate speed out of nothing, how smooth they are and how easy they make everything look. Their solid technique really allows you to get swept away by the program--I really never want it to end, and when it does I feel like it went by so quickly. I think what they do better than anyone is highlight the differences in rhythm, and this program really highlights that with the various changes of tempo and beat. I consider this program a gem no matter where they finish this season.

I agree with this.

pani
11-27-2011, 09:24 AM
OK. Maybe i will never understand, why FF is junior program, the same with Mahler and UoS and D-w FD is masterpice and not juniorish and didnt look, like last years SD.
But judges show what they want to see now in ice dancing. They dont care about quality, but love speed, easy and fast twizzles. And components didnt show really skating quality (why V-M have so lowe SS mark?), but show what judges love the most. So V-M need to re-consider all this situation.
As for another coaching ect. Linichuck and B-A maybe could have better results, without russians in there group. When Linichuck took B-A, russians wasnt there. Then with russians in this group some part of attention went to them and maybe USA FS federation didnt trust Linichuck anymore and thats why they made D-W number 1 team in USA.
And from other hand. Linichuck re-worked B-A basics, she really thoughts it important in ice dance today to show good lines, edges, posture, but times change and now judges want to find another things in ice dance, not clean skating. Thats why she lose (IMHO).
From the summer i read all time - V-M skate the same programs all time, they have good marks only because they could skate clean at competition ect. Then all talking about - could this team beat V-M? But NO word about D-W.
Then after TEB all that questions about V-M marks even from ISU press person, but NO word about 10 perfect marks fpor D-W at CoR.
So my impression is - now judges try to make impression V-M are not better, then all others and worst. then D-W. So frehcn, russian could beat V-M in near future. When with D-W different situation - all understand this only chance for USA for medals at WChs, OG so they even dont think commpete with them.
And i want to say 2 words about FF. I think this FD will look more innovated, if the mane part will be - crazy Audrey. Yes, they could lose, but this could be something new. But Zueva didnt have time for changing, she said tyhey will not made change in FD anymore, so......
And as for coaching change. From one hand V-M really have best basis, even if judges didnt want to see this, so they didnt need strong technikal coach and maybe Canadian technicka specialists and judges could help them with levels. But they need to be ready - more attention will not mean they will win 100% ober there friends, but this could give a chance to see there new side, but Zueva will kill them, like she did with B-A/ And only ice dance school is in Detroit, but they have W-P and P-B, they dont need V-M in there group. I love Platov and Kerrs will work with them. But he isnt very strong in politicks.

From other hand. If you talking about how Zueva-Shpilband love them, why they could let them to try new choreo and still be there coaches? Is this a big problem?

Platov was lucky to have Tarasova before his second OG. She could show to judges stronerst sides of her skater and explane to judges weakness of there main competitiors. V-M need TAT now, like she was in 90th.

m_chenning
11-27-2011, 09:57 AM
But judges show what they want to see now in ice dancing. They dont care about quality, but love speed, easy and fast twizzles. And components didnt show really skating quality (why V-M have so lowe SS mark?), but show what judges love the most. So V-M need to re-consider all this situation.


I'm deeply shocked. Let's see: SD protocols (V-M from TEB (http://i056.radikal.ru/1111/c6/c6524b230f20.jpg)with clean skating and few minor mistakes ; and D-W from CoR (http://s017.radikal.ru/i416/1111/e9/3e76f1bf52c4.png)with weak and shaky edges (and stumbling from White)- IMHO)

TPCS- 36.5 BOTH ?!

:confused:

Something should be done.

pani
11-27-2011, 09:59 AM
I'm deeply shocked. Let's see: SD protocols (V-M from TEB (http://i056.radikal.ru/1111/c6/c6524b230f20.jpg)with clean skating with few minor mistakes and D-W from CoR (http://s017.radikal.ru/i416/1111/e9/3e76f1bf52c4.png)with weak and shaky edges (and stumbling from White)- IMHO)

TPCS- 36.5 BOTH ?!

:confused:

Something should be done.

I am happy M-C fan see this. Thanks :)
Who need to do something?

Shayii
11-27-2011, 10:09 AM
OK. Maybe i will never understand, why FF is junior program, the same with Mahler and UoS and D-w FD is masterpice and not juniorish and didnt look, like last years SD.
But judges show what they want to see now in ice dancing. They dont care about quality, but love speed, easy and fast twizzles. And components didnt show really skating quality (why V-M have so lowe SS mark?), but show what judges love the most. So V-M need to re-consider all this situation.
As for another coaching ect. Linichuck and B-A maybe could have better results, without russians in there group. When Linichuck took B-A, russians wasnt there. Then with russians in this group some part of attention went to them and maybe USA FS federation didnt trust Linichuck anymore and thats why they made D-W number 1 team in USA.
And from other hand. Linichuck re-worked B-A basics, she really thoughts it important in ice dance today to show good lines, edges, posture, but times change and now judges want to find another things in ice dance, not clean skating. Thats why she lose (IMHO).
From the summer i read all time - V-M skate the same programs all time, they have good marks only because they could skate clean at competition ect. Then all talking about - could this team beat V-M? But NO word about D-W.
Then after TEB all that questions about V-M marks even from ISU press person, but NO word about 10 perfect marks fpor D-W at CoR.
So my impression is - now judges try to make impression V-M are not better, then all others and worst. then D-W. So frehcn, russian could beat V-M in near future. When with D-W different situation - all understand this only chance for USA for medals at WChs, OG so they even dont think commpete with them.
And i want to say 2 words about FF. I think this FD will look more innovated, if the mane part will be - crazy Audrey. Yes, they could lose, but this could be something new. But Zueva didnt have time for changing, she said tyhey will not made change in FD anymore, so......
And as for coaching change. From one hand V-M really have best basis, even if judges didnt want to see this, so they didnt need strong technikal coach and maybe Canadian technicka specialists and judges could help them with levels. But they need to be ready - more attention will not mean they will win 100% ober there friends, but this could give a chance to see there new side, but Zueva will kill them, like she did with B-A/ And only ice dance school is in Detroit, but they have W-P and P-B, they dont need V-M in there group. I love Platov and Kerrs will work with them. But he isnt very strong in politicks.

From other hand. If you talking about how Zueva-Shpilband love them, why they could let them to try new choreo and still be there coaches? Is this a big problem?

Platov was lucky to have Tarasova before his second OG. She could show to judges stronerst sides of her skater and explane to judges weakness of there main competitiors. V-M need TAT now, like she was in 90th.
Actually Pani I do agree with you on one aspect I think it's weird how those articles last week and the guy in the press conference were questioning T/S's scores, but only they seemed to be the target and no other teams. I feel bad for them but it's ok like a previous poster said let's just trust them.

m_chenning
11-27-2011, 10:24 AM
I am happy M-C fan see this. Thanks :)
Who need to do something?

pani, i'm Tessa and Scott fan ;) and you know it :) . I think coaches should ask themselves : is it normal situation with score? And if they really care about Tessa and Scott they have to fix levels and make some changes in choreo. And may be SC should pay attention too?

pani
11-27-2011, 10:29 AM
pani, i'm Tessa and Scott fan ;) and you know it :) . I think coaches should ask themselves : is it normal situation with score? And if they really care about Tessa and Scott they have to fix levels and make some changes in choreo. And may be SC should pay attention too?

I know :)
But coaches didnt give them marks ;) And V-M (IMHO) have more latin in SD, then M-C (especially at CoR compare to TEB). And some poeple who saw competition in Paris and Moscow tell about this - in Paris Sds overall look much better.
T-S have such levels, like M-C have. For me this score was reflected by M-C FD, wich judges adore. ;)
And even hater agree V-M have much better pattern, then all others teams. So look like coaches did there work good, thats all judges ;)
I agree with you about SC. If USA Federation ask to change FD for D-W before this season, why SC couldnt made more pressure on Z-S?
Especially because all understand - Z-S need to have number one team from Canada and canadians alwayse prize D-W and help them.

hyq
11-27-2011, 10:39 AM
I totally disagree with this. Since when did V&M ever give up and so why should we? The season is not over. I think Funny Face is wonderful and will continue to get better. We need to trust them.

I trust Tessa and Scott.I belive they can get better.I just worry judges don't like their program and don't give them fair scores.
And I really can't understand why Zueva said they would't make change in their fd anymore. Did'nt she hear the critism or advice about the program? And when she see the scores of D/W's fd are much higher than V/M's , did she feel it just normal?
In fact ,I'm a little disappointed about Zueva.

pani
11-27-2011, 10:46 AM
she see the scores of D/W's fd are much higher than V/M's , did she feel it just normal?
In fact ,I'm a little disappointed about Zueva.

She look very happy after she saw 109.12. And its OK - they are her skaters, they recive huge score.
I remember Tessa said after Finlandia Throhy they recive all positive feedbackes and this was scary. Maybe thats why Zueva didnt see they need to change something?
For me its werid, because i remeber first out of Mahler at TEb and how i was dissapointed and then i saw this FD at SC - this was totally different FD in nuances, emotions ect. And Marina made this changes after a lot of criticizm at TEB. Why now she didnt think about this - i dont know.