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PeterG
10-28-2011, 06:15 AM
Saw this article in one of the free daily newspapers here:

Last native Javan rhino found dead

Vietnam's Javan rhinos poached into oblivion (http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/10/25/uk-vietnam-rhinos-idUKTRE79O0U120111025)


(Reuters) - An endangered Javan rhinoceros found dead in Vietnam last year was the country's last, rendering the species all but the extinct, WWF reported on Tuesday.

Only a small population now remains in Indonesia.

Genetic analysis of 22 dung samples collected in Vietnam's Cat Tien National Park from 2009 to 2010 affirmed that the animal, found dead with a bullet in its leg and its horn removed in April 2010, was the final wild rhino in Vietnam.

Poaching was the likely cause of death, WWF said in a report.

The article later states:


Rhinoceros horns are a coveted ingredient in traditional Eastern medicine and rumoured to cure or fend off cancer, although scientists say there is no evidence to support the claim.

I know there are articles about species being eliminated by humans on a too-common basis, but this article really affected me. First, an endangered species is hunted to (almost) extinction. And the reason? For something that has no scientific validity. It's like acting on an old wive's tales...just because... :mad:

Ignorance is not bliss.

neptune
10-28-2011, 06:31 AM
That's terrible. :( I sure hope they'll be able to protect that small population in Indonesia at least.

Ozzisk8tr
10-28-2011, 07:13 AM
Dreadful. I can't put into words how this makes me feel. A little unrelated but this article from a couple of weeks ago disturbed me more than anything recently. A warning, it's very sad. I refuse to go to Japan because of their stance on whaling, China is also on my lists of countries I refuse to visit because of stories like this. Poor racoon dogs.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2045016/Raccoon-dogs-skinned-alive-make-cheap-copies-Ugg-boots.html?ITO=1490

Cheylana
10-28-2011, 07:20 AM
:( times 1 billion

Japanfan
10-28-2011, 10:31 AM
I can't put into words how this makes me feel. A little unrelated but this article from a couple of weeks ago disturbed me more than anything recently. A warning, it's very sad.

Just heartbreaking. How can people do that? A crazed psychopath, okay, but average people working in the fur industry? It's not hard to have compassion for the suffering of animals. There are quick and painless ways to kill them and the same profit is still earned.

Buzz
10-28-2011, 02:21 PM
Unfortunately it is not going to get any better for the animals because as some countries get richer, their populations are buying and demanding more. China for example with it's huge population have a growing demand for all sorts of resources and animals which are now endangered. Unintended consequence of countries expanding rich and middle classes.

Jot the Dot Dot
10-28-2011, 07:35 PM
Unfortunately it is not going to get any better for the animals because as some countries get richer, their populations are buying and demanding more. China for example with it's huge population have a growing demand for all sorts of resources and animals which are now endangered. Unintended consequence of countries expanding rich and middle classes.

It's not that China's population is huge, it is that there are no independant voices legally allowed. Has anyone ever heard of a privately owned/run animal sanctuary in China? One of the great things about democracies is that people can pool their ideas and resources, independant of opposing views, and work towards their one-of-many-ideas solution.

Anita18
10-29-2011, 01:12 AM
Dreadful. I can't put into words how this makes me feel. A little unrelated but this article from a couple of weeks ago disturbed me more than anything recently. A warning, it's very sad. I refuse to go to Japan because of their stance on whaling, China is also on my lists of countries I refuse to visit because of stories like this. Poor racoon dogs.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2045016/Raccoon-dogs-skinned-alive-make-cheap-copies-Ugg-boots.html?ITO=1490
:wuzrobbed: :wuzrobbed: :wuzrobbed:

Angelskates
10-29-2011, 10:02 AM
It's not that China's population is huge, it is that there are no independant voices legally allowed. Has anyone ever heard of a privately owned/run animal sanctuary in China? One of the great things about democracies is that people can pool their ideas and resources, independant of opposing views, and work towards their one-of-many-ideas solution.

:rolleyes: There are plenty of privately run and owned animal homes across China. But why does an animal sanctuary have to be privately run to serve a purpose?

And independent voices are legally heard all of the time. When was the last time you read a Chinese newspaper? I read several this morning, and they all contained at least one article where someone was griping against something they didn't like or think was fair. Protests occur in China all the time. There was even one to support occupy Wall Street. One happened in my neighbourhood last week because a local "village" is being knocked down.

These stories are dreadful, but the people to blame are the poachers. I think it's unfair to blame governments that have protection laws for these acts. It's incredibly difficult to find poachers, so all too often they get away with it.

Not visiting entire countries because of the actions of a very tiny percentage of the population is a loss for you, Ozzisk8tr. You're missing out on some amazing experiences by not visiting Japan or China. It's also easier to change these issues from within, and so if you never visit, you can't affect that change.

LilJen
10-30-2011, 01:33 AM
Dreadful. I can't put into words how this makes me feel. A little unrelated but this article from a couple of weeks ago disturbed me more than anything recently. A warning, it's very sad. I refuse to go to Japan because of their stance on whaling, China is also on my lists of countries I refuse to visit because of stories like this. Poor racoon dogs.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2045016/Raccoon-dogs-skinned-alive-make-cheap-copies-Ugg-boots.html?ITO=1490

That makes me want to vomit.

rjblue
10-30-2011, 03:51 AM
I'm not going to argue the wrongs or rights of farming animals for their fur- but- no one actually working at that day in and day out is going to be skinning live animals. They would be very difficult to skin, and their beating heart would cause blood to spurt and possibly ruin the fur. It is quick and simple to kill an animal. And then you skin it. That is how it is done anywhere in the world. Those videos are paid, staged, events. I find the fact that animal "rights" groups do this extremely offensive.

And these disgusting videos serve no good. The original point of this thread is the tragic loss of a magnificent species. I have to wonder if the Rhino were as cute as a seal pup, or a racoon dog, maybe they wouldn't be on the brink of extinction.

essence_of_soy
10-30-2011, 04:04 AM
If only poachers and whalers had the tables turned on them.

vesperholly
10-30-2011, 04:29 AM
I'm not going to argue the wrongs or rights of farming animals for their fur- but- no one actually working at that day in and day out is going to be skinning live animals. They would be very difficult to skin, and their beating heart would cause blood to spurt and possibly ruin the fur. It is quick and simple to kill an animal. And then you skin it. That is how it is done anywhere in the world. Those videos are paid, staged, events. I find the fact that animal "rights" groups do this extremely offensive.

Honestly, it made me wonder. What's the purpose of skinning something alive when it's much easier and quicker to kill the animal? For companies taking such shortcuts, why would they do that if not for the camera?

Japanfan
10-30-2011, 09:03 AM
I'm not going to argue the wrongs or rights of farming animals for their fur- but- no one actually working at that day in and day out is going to be skinning live animals. They would be very difficult to skin, and their beating heart would cause blood to spurt and possibly ruin the fur. It is quick and simple to kill an animal. And then you skin it. That is how it is done anywhere in the world. Those videos are paid, staged, events. I find the fact that animal "rights" groups do this extremely offensive..

Can you provide some evidence that an animal rights group produced this video?

I'm breath a lot easier if you would.

rjblue
10-30-2011, 02:22 PM
This is a fur industry website (http://www.furcommission.com/news/newsF08q.htm)- but keep in mind- they find this video as horrifying as you do.

Another thing to keep in mind, is that contrary to propaganda, animals need to be healthy and happy to have good quality fur. I can completely understand why people find wearing fur offensive, but you don't need to lose sleep over animals being tortured. It doesn't make any sense, if you look into it with an objective view.