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skatingfanfun
11-12-2011, 11:57 PM
Take a pill. No one, including Chan, was saying it wasn't an achievement, or even that he wouldn't be the first in ISU competition (which he was as of today). They were just pointing out the fact that this was a new jump that was ratified in a non-ISU competition, something past records had to do. And I do agree that there is a difference in being about to land the hard stuff under more pressure filled situations. If this weren't the case I would be in favor or ratifying all these jumps if landed in practice with enough video evidence. I'm sure Chan and everyone else is happy that he can now claim a legitimate record, at least as far as past practices are concerned... :shuffle:

Well put.

Vagabond
11-13-2011, 02:09 AM
I wish the jump itself could've looked more impressive.

:blah:

It sure beats this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=UilAARymnSs#t=56s) or this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxpCu8wRv14&t=2m57s) or, for that matter, this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=g2odYqB6azY#t=105s).

dots
11-13-2011, 03:52 AM
Homologate this! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=jP4lLmK6TPU#t=64s) :P


lol Clever post :lol:

dots
11-13-2011, 03:54 AM
Brandon landed the first (http://espn.go.com/olympics/figureskating/story/_/id/7223251/brandon-mroz-makes-skating-history-quadruple-lutz-nhk-trophy) quad Lutz (http://www.examiner.com/figure-skating-in-national/takahashi-destroys-competition-nhk-trophy-short-historic-quad-lutz-for-mroz) in the NHK SP (http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-sport/us-skater-mroz-lands-first-quad-lutz-20111112-1ndaa.html) today, so Chan and the haterzzz can suck it. :P

From the spread in the GoE (http://www.isuresults.com/results/gpjpn2011/gpjpn2011_Men_SP_Scores.pdf), it looks like it was clean enough to be ratified but the judges picked up that there was no footwork preceding the jump.


It looks pretty clean to me. Congrats Mroz .

He needs to go for the Quad Axel ! :swoon:

CantALoop
11-13-2011, 04:18 AM
Take a pill. No one, including Chan, was saying it wasn't an achievement, or even that he wouldn't be the first in ISU competition (which he was as of today). They were just pointing out the fact that this was a new jump that was ratified in a non-ISU competition, something past records had to do. And I do agree that there is a difference in being about to land the hard stuff under more pressure filled situations.

I was being tongue in cheek with Chan and people being haterzzz, hence the :P emoticon.

The difference between practice sessions and the first 4Lz is that it was performed during a whole program in the context of a competition.

If you want to bring "pressure" into the argument, it could very well be argued that a Grand Prix event is lower pressure than an ISU Championship, but nobody would question its ratification in this case. The ISU made it clear that the first 4Lz was not in an ISU competition, but still a successful completion in a competition nonetheless.

Are there even formal rules regarding ratification for first successful jump attempts? If several of the firsts were ratified even though they would get ">>" marks today, I don't see whether it was an ISU competition or not would matter.

DaveRocks
11-13-2011, 06:39 AM
:blah:

It sure beats this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=UilAARymnSs#t=56s) or this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=yRFXC36vjX0#t=87s) or, for that matter, this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=g2odYqB6azY#t=105s).

What's your second "this" for? That's just a poorly-landed triple axel by Browning at the 88 Olympics. He landed the first quad the next month at worlds.

Vagabond
11-13-2011, 07:23 AM
What's your second "this" for? That's just a poorly-landed triple axel by Browning at the 88 Olympics. He landed the first quad the next month at worlds.

:o I copied and pasted the wrong link when I posted it. I've fixed it with a link to Browning's first quad toe loop.

ETA: Someone could take all of Mroz's singles in his FS at NHK, add them up, and get some sort of a quad or even a quint. :shuffle: