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aftershocks
11-03-2011, 01:59 AM
Cecelia Colledge scandalously went across town to develop her flexibility with a circus person, then invented and introduced the camel spin (a basic spin) and the layback spin (a variation of an upright spin and the iconic move of ladies' figure skating) but none of them are named after her . . . Actually, Cecelia contributed more elements to the CoP than Lutz, Salchow, Axel, or Rittenberger but who would know except people here.

PS I just love her.

Cecelia Colledge (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDLVM-Hjzwc)

Thanks for the link. I enjoyed watching that again. In the clips, I see Cecilia spinning and catching one foot from a side angle, but I don't see her pulling her foot all the way over her head. Is it possible that Biellmann is the one who extended the spin to include catching her foot and pulling it over her head?

Vagabond
11-03-2011, 03:44 AM
Thanks for the link. I enjoyed watching that again. In the clips, I see Cecilia spinning and catching one foot from a side angle, but I don't see her pulling her foot all the way over her head. Is it possible that Biellmann is the one who extended the spin to include catching her foot and pulling it over her head?

No. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=AxIkSh3ywwI#t=228s) Tamara Bratus (Moskvina) did it long before Denise Biellmann.

bardtoob
11-03-2011, 05:03 AM
No. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=AxIkSh3ywwI#t=228s) Tamara Bratus (Moskvina) did it long before Denise Biellmann.

Errr...did I not post this earlier in the thread? Thanks for reposting vagabond.

Just because it was not on video does not mean it was not done. Cecelia did compete in the 1930s ... Of course, the judges that were at 1965 Euros were probably also judging in the 1930s, knowing the ISU.

Bev Johnston
11-03-2011, 03:14 PM
Cecelia Colledge (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDLVM-Hjzwc)

Wow. Amazing catch foot, especially because she bends the knee and brings the blade to her hand, basically assuming the catch foot position before grabbing the blade. Most skaters do the opposite - look for the blade and grab, than pull it into the catch foot position.

Thanks for this. I favorited it on YouTube. :cool:

mrinalini
11-04-2011, 03:30 AM
Cecelia Colledge scandalously went across town to develop her flexibility with a circus person, then invented and introduced the camel spin (a basic spin) and the layback spin (a variation of an upright spin and the iconic move of ladies' figure skating) but none of them are named after her . . . Actually, Cecelia contributed more elements to the CoP than Lutz, Salchow, Axel, or Rittenberger but who would know except people here.

PS I just love her.

Cecelia Colledge (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDLVM-Hjzwc)

Thanks for the clip; as usual, what a great tribute by floskate. Colledge does a better Biellmann than most ladies these days, and it looks like her clean, polished style had an influence on the American ladies from way back. Odd that that wasn't quite the case with the European ladies...:shuffle:

It's funny that Queen Elizabeth appears at the end since I was thinking that Cecilia looks exactly like her throughout watching the clip. :lol:

Vash01
11-04-2011, 05:12 AM
I just wanted to be the one posting the 200th post in this thread.:lol:

When will we see a quad flip? I think Joubert was working on it, but we never saw him attempt it.

johndockley92
11-04-2011, 02:23 PM
I just wanted to be the one posting the 200th post in this thread.:lol:

When will we see a quad flip? I think Joubert was working on it, but we never saw him attempt it.

Pretty sure Mroz has been doing the Flip as well as the lutz and loop (quad)

FigureSpins
11-04-2011, 02:25 PM
That version of the Beillmann spin should be called a Colledge. It's so different from what we see today and much more elegant.

CantALoop
11-12-2011, 07:50 PM
I read on ice network that Chan said he thinks the jump should be landed to ISU competition to be ratified so it seems it is not only skating fans opinion.

Brandon landed the first (http://espn.go.com/olympics/figureskating/story/_/id/7223251/brandon-mroz-makes-skating-history-quadruple-lutz-nhk-trophy) quad Lutz (http://www.examiner.com/figure-skating-in-national/takahashi-destroys-competition-nhk-trophy-short-historic-quad-lutz-for-mroz) in the NHK SP (http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-sport/us-skater-mroz-lands-first-quad-lutz-20111112-1ndaa.html) today, so Chan and the haterzzz can suck it. :P

From the spread in the GoE (http://www.isuresults.com/results/gpjpn2011/gpjpn2011_Men_SP_Scores.pdf), it looks like it was clean enough to be ratified but the judges picked up that there was no footwork preceding the jump.

Jenna
11-12-2011, 07:53 PM
:respec: Now, it's "official."

Vagabond
11-12-2011, 07:54 PM
Homologate this! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=jP4lLmK6TPU#t=64s) :P

nlyoung
11-12-2011, 09:31 PM
Brandon landed the first (http://espn.go.com/olympics/figureskating/story/_/id/7223251/brandon-mroz-makes-skating-history-quadruple-lutz-nhk-trophy) quad Lutz (http://www.examiner.com/figure-skating-in-national/takahashi-destroys-competition-nhk-trophy-short-historic-quad-lutz-for-mroz) in the NHK SP (http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-sport/us-skater-mroz-lands-first-quad-lutz-20111112-1ndaa.html) today, so Chan and the haterzzz can suck it. :P

From the spread in the GoE (http://www.isuresults.com/results/gpjpn2011/gpjpn2011_Men_SP_Scores.pdf), it looks like it was clean enough to be ratified but the judges picked up that there was no footwork preceding the jump.

Take a pill. No one, including Chan, was saying it wasn't an achievement, or even that he wouldn't be the first in ISU competition (which he was as of today). They were just pointing out the fact that this was a new jump that was ratified in a non-ISU competition, something past records had to do. And I do agree that there is a difference in being about to land the hard stuff under more pressure filled situations. If this weren't the case I would be in favor or ratifying all these jumps if landed in practice with enough video evidence. I'm sure Chan and everyone else is happy that he can now claim a legitimate record, at least as far as past practices are concerned... :shuffle:

aftershocks
11-12-2011, 09:57 PM
No. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=AxIkSh3ywwI#t=228s) Tamara Bratus (Moskvina) did it long before Denise Biellmann.

So, it should be called the Bratus spin.

FigureSpins
11-12-2011, 10:29 PM
Homologate this! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=jP4lLmK6TPU#t=64s) :P
Thanks, I was hoping that would turn up on youtube.

orbitz
11-12-2011, 11:06 PM
I wish the jump itself could've looked more impressive. If Midori Ito had accomplished that jump, it would have flew half the length of the rink !

Still, congrats to Brandon for proving that it wasn't a fluke that he landed it the first time a few weeks ago.