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AragornElessar
03-31-2012, 02:37 AM
I came on this thread to say how happy I am for W/P. But did not expect to see such a negative reaction to Nathalie & Fabians bronze.
Maybe some of you should be more like Kaitlyn & be happy for them instead of saying it's a home-country medal.
Will you be saying that next year if W/P get a medal?.
But I really am happy for them. I've loved their free all season. Kaitlyn seems like a classy girl :respec:

I think you need to read my post a bit closer. My "negative reaction" to Fabian and Nathalie's Bronze has nothing to do w/them and everything to do w/how they were judged and, I hate to break it to you, but I never did say it was a home country medal. That is what's being said in other places by other people however and also that due to Worlds being in Canada next year, Kaitlyn and Andrew will get their Medal then.

My problem w/what happened has nothing to do w/the skaters and everything to do w/the judging of the event. When it's been pointed so much how important the twizzles are in the Dance event, one of the two of the team falls out of them in the SD, a required element, and said SD was also very cautious for very understandable reasons, but still cautious in performance. You put that beside Kaitlyn and Andrew's not a skate blade wrong SD and..If it was a point difference of a point or so after all was said and done in the SD between Fabian/Nathalie and Kaitlyn/Andrew, that I would have understood and that would have been fair. A three point difference though? No, that I didn't and still don't understand it.

I can't be happy for Fabian and Nathalie's long overdue medal just because there is that whiff of suspect judging there and for two hard working, classy and never heard a bad thing about people and skaters, that's beyond a shame. Also hurts the sport again because once again, people are wondering about the judging in skating and if it's fair.

That does no one or the sport any good.

jl22aries
03-31-2012, 02:38 AM
I agree, their musical expression is, for me, the best of them all. I mean, really, them ALL.

I was thinking back on some the range of their acting abilities, and dinakt I agree with you about the sincerity of their expression, which is especially amazing when seen in so many different types of dances (last year's At Last, this year's SD. I mean, they made campy Moulin somehow work for me. Aaaand they also made Phantom work for me too.)

I always liked this team but never really considered them. But they snuck in and had me fall in love with them.



WP reminded me about what makes figure skating so magical. It's not always as simple as a great skate, even if the skate is technically masterful and interpreted well. There are those very special skates and skaters that take it to another level, I mean truly transcendent, wherein I'm suddenly not thinking at all, just feeling, and my imagination has been reawakened. Some skaters have a passion for the sport, and they're beautiful skaters. And some skaters have a passion for the artform on an intrinsic, basic need sort of level...and that's when it's just magic.

AragornElessar
03-31-2012, 02:50 AM
Their Phantom was my personal favourite out of all the PotO programs we got for 09-10 Season. Also loved how they were the only ones who used the music box rendition of Masquerade in their program. AFAIK, they're the only ones I've seen use it in their program I've seen over the years.

It just cast such a spell in the arena at 09 Skate Canada in K-W and really was such a special program. A shame it never got skated at the Olympics. :(

Aussie Willy
03-31-2012, 07:38 AM
Chipping in here to say that I think I only saw W&P's SD from one of the GP event and hadn't seen their FD up until yesterday. It really blew me away. Lovely expression (I overuse that word) and emotion and was a really beautiful program. The music was great for them and they used it so well. A pleasure to watch.

Sometimes it is good not to watch skaters throughout the season and then see them at the best moment. Makes it special and memorable.

nuge
03-31-2012, 01:09 PM
W/P are great and are going in the right direction improving all the time.I don't think they will get on the worlds podium till after olympics when maybe V/M P/B and maybe D/W retire.Then I expect W/P and I/K/ to battle it out as the top two couples IMO .:)

geoskate
03-31-2012, 06:44 PM
Congratulations to Weaver/Poje on two great skates at Worlds. I continue to be impressed by their improvement over the last two seasons. They also have learned how to compete as well as they practice. Great to see.

Their placement here should help continue to bolster their reputation with the Canadian judges. They may need that next season given what I think has been a definite tendency in past years for Canadian judges to undermark them compared to more favoured skaters. (That's my opinion only, at it may be an incorrect perception of Canadian judges, but it certainly has appeared like that to me over the past few years).

However, it's that same lack of favouritism that has forced them to become the great skaters they are today, so in the end it turned out to be a good thing.

elle123
03-31-2012, 07:45 PM
Here's the Brit Eurosport FD:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbiC0GXkj1Y&feature=g-all-u&context=G23ab937FAAAAAAAABAA

You know it's a great skate when the commentators don't do any commentating during the program. :) And I loved that Angelika cried.


:rolleyes:
W/P were more than OK and the judges deemed it so. Sorry you don't appear to be of the same opinion. If you want to speak about couples using the music to drive their skating and the reaction to it, you could say the same thing about D/W who also used music that carried them.

Really, what IS it about some posters who insist on coming into "uber" threads just so they can post their negative opinions.:blah:

Seriously! And I don't agree that the music made either W/P or D/W seem better than they actually are. They're both great skaters with great choreographers/coaches - if they weren't, the music would just wash them out.


I do feel Fabian and Nathalie deserved the bronze although I thought the margin would be by a less. Regardless, good for them.

clarie
04-01-2012, 02:19 PM
What?!!!!!! No Weaver and Poje in the Gala. That's so disappointing!!!! I wonder why.:(

leafygreens
04-01-2012, 02:30 PM
I could argue the same about D&W and DF. :shuffle:

Anyway, you're sounding very bitter leafy. Guess you had a bad couple days? :lol:

What? There's nothing bitter about that. How about watch W/P on mute and see if their program looks as good as D/W, and you will see that's a ridiculous statement. D/W are not "carried" by their music either, which is definitely the impression I got with W/P.

professordeb
04-01-2012, 02:53 PM
What? There's nothing bitter about that. How about watch W/P on mute and see if their program looks as good as D/W, and you will see that's a ridiculous statement. D/W are not "carried" by their music either, which is definitely the impression I got with W/P.

LG, we get it. In your opinion no one is as good in D/W and since THIS is a thread about W/P And there are many who beg to differ about the music carrying D/W, why don't you do us all a favour and take your negative posts elsewhere. Please.

frisette70
04-01-2012, 02:57 PM
Kaitlin and Andrew did a beautiful gala program!! Vole de CÚline Dion!!!:)

clarie
04-01-2012, 03:33 PM
Kaitlin and Andrew did a beautiful gala program!! Vole de CÚline Dion!!!:)

Yes....I was releived to see them there in the gala. Wonderful program.

leafygreens
04-01-2012, 05:14 PM
LG, we get it. In your opinion no one is as good in D/W and since THIS is a thread about W/P And there are many who beg to differ about the music carrying D/W, why don't you do us all a favour and take your negative posts elsewhere. Please.

I wasn't the one who compared W/P to D/W, it was brought up after my original statement which said nothing about D/W. I simply compared W/P to the compliments they have been getting, after watching their program, and didn't feel impressed as the overblown comments I've been reading. It has nothing to do with D/W. W/P's music was great, but are they the next big thing as far as technical ability? I'm just not seeing it. From the perspective of watching their program with the music, I can definitely see, though, how everyone can get carried away with how great they are, because it's an emotional piece.

Bue
04-01-2012, 07:08 PM
Kaitlin and Andrew did a beautiful gala program!! Vole de CÚline Dion!!!:)

Shame about Celine :yikes: but it was a gorgeous program.

W/P are the Eurosport guys' newest obsession. They are gushing :D

skatingfan04
04-01-2012, 07:17 PM
I think W/P are everyone's new obsession. :D They had the crowd (and the commentators) eating out of their hands is Nice. By far the best I've even seen W/P skate. I have my own issues with their placement behind the French, but besides that an amazing competition for them. I honestly think they stole the show in the FD. If I were V/M and D/W, I'd be looking behind me and getting worried. I think W/P may be the only team capable of challenging them (maybe not quite yet, but soon). Fantastic!