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periperi
10-20-2011, 04:05 PM
The first two skaters that popped into my head when I finished reading the OP were Takahiko Kozuka and Carolina Kostner.

RumbleFish
10-20-2011, 04:15 PM
IMO, the "new" effortless pair are the Shibutanis. It will be interesting to see if they can maintain that effortless as they take on more difficult choreography and increased speed over time.

They certainly didn't show it at last year's Worlds. :confused:
Nevertheless, I do like them and would like to see how they develop over next few years. :)

RumbleFish
10-20-2011, 04:20 PM
G&G, Yu Na Kim, G&P, K&P, Torvill & Dean also as well as Mao Asada and some other I forget, are all very "easy" to watch because they just skate like they breath.

Miss Asada's jumps have been quite painful to watch for last couple of years though.
She does have nice bouncy knees but knee action isn't exactly my definition of effortless skating. Then again, everyone is entitled to their own opinions. ;)

RumbleFish
10-20-2011, 04:24 PM
I would also mention Klimova & Ponomarenko. Their programs always had such an amazing range of steps, edges, handholds, etc but they were so smooth and effortless. The best example might be their famous 1987 OSP (Viennese Waltz) which was made into the Golden Waltz compulsory dance. Many ice dancers say that it's harder than an entire free dance.

They were wonderful too. :swoon:
I have seen numerous GW over the years performed by best ice dance teams of respective eras, but still haven't seen one that can match that of K&P.

Macassar88
10-20-2011, 04:40 PM
As for making things look difficult I'd nominate Butyrskaya. Her jumps never looked easy. Doesn't mean I don't love her skating though.

miki88
10-20-2011, 04:43 PM
Miss Asada's jumps have been quite painful to watch for last couple of years though.
She does have nice bouncy knees but knee action isn't exactly my definition of effortless skating. Then again, everyone is entitled to their own opinions. ;)

What is your definition of effortless skating? Just curious~~;)

RumbleFish
10-20-2011, 04:47 PM
As for making things look difficult I'd nominate Butyrskaya. Her jumps never looked easy. Doesn't mean I don't love her skating though.

Yes, she had lots of other wonderful qualities. :)

RumbleFish
10-20-2011, 04:50 PM
What is your definition of effortless skating? Just curious~~;)

Great use of edges, flow over the ice, nice posture, all without too much upper body action. :)

Marco
10-20-2011, 04:53 PM
When skaters reach the level where their moves look "effortless"; the difficulty of what they do isn't always appreciated.

And also quality.

Such as Kwan's and Kozuka's stroking; Czisny's spins; Takahashi's movement across the ice; Oda's overall skating (OK, except steps and jump counting)...

miki88
10-20-2011, 05:01 PM
Great use of edges, flow over the ice, nice posture, all without too much upper body action. :)

Ah, I see. They aren't extraordinary criteria after all. But I guess you just apply them selectively. ;)

RumbleFish
10-20-2011, 05:07 PM
Ah, I see. They aren't extraordinary criteria after all. But I guess you just apply them selectively. ;)

Are you wondering why Miss Asada didn't make my list, by any chance? ;)

I think strength of her skating lies in her soft knees, but I feel that she relies on it too much rather than getting the most out of her edges. Some people may find vertical body action that results from this tendency interesting, but it isn't my cup of tea.

miki88
10-20-2011, 05:22 PM
Are you wondering why Miss Asada didn't make my list, by any chance? ;)

:lol: No, I just want to get to know your thoughts better. No sarcasm intended. I'm in a good mood today. :)

Triple Butz
10-20-2011, 07:00 PM
As for making things look difficult I'd nominate Butyrskaya. Her jumps never looked easy. Doesn't mean I don't love her skating though.

I'd nominate Emily Hughes. Don't get me wrong, I appreciated her energy and attack, but the girl certainly let you know she was muscling through most of her elements.

Today, I feel that 99% of Lv4 spins and footwork look far from effortless which is a real shame IMO.

RockTheTassel
10-20-2011, 07:22 PM
It depends on the elements. Yuna makes speed and a triple-triple combo look easy. Sasha and Michelle had effortless spirals. Alissa and Stephane have spins. Patrick and Takahiko make deep edges look natural.

If we're including all elements, I don't know if any skaters have effortless skating overall. Everyone has a weakness in something.

robinhood
10-20-2011, 07:28 PM
On the top of my head, Shizuka Arakawa comes to my mind, as well as Yuka Sato. Of course, Kim and Kwan as well, but I don't feel so at "ease" watching those 2

In pairs, Elena and Anton, though they're inconsistent they seemed to skate on air. It was breathtaking.

I too agree with K&P, and I'm sort of discovering G&P right now. I couldn't get them when I was younger and I thought their results was part of :blocjudge, but they're amazing and technically the strongest ice dancers ever, imho

I'll go with Kozuka too. I just think he's so natural...and Robin Cousins, amazing flow and ease