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kwanfan1818
10-16-2011, 07:57 PM
A "multi-millionaire"? :rofl:
"Multi-milionaire" means more than one million. According to the Bloomberg report, he earned 2.5 million in 2010. That doesn't include any multi-year endorsement money since, or his SOI earnings.


Here's the thing - does he have anywhere else to skate during the week before or after for a comprable amount of $$ and exposure?

He might feel he doesn't need it, or it's not worth the money or additional exposure.

I don't see his earning potential diminishing in the next few years. He's the headliner for SOI. He's got a job.

kwanfan1818
10-16-2011, 08:17 PM
I agree. A Wimbledon champ doesn't stop competing at Wimbledon anymore for fear of it 'tarnishing' his win. Most people know that in sports, winning can be due to myriad things: luck, favorite sick/injured, everyone else fell more, everything worked like a miracle that day, who knows.
Wimbledon happens every year, as does each of the other three majors. The Olympic gold medal isn't that much of a big deal in the big picture of tennis. Even for fans who only pay attention to the majors, a tennis player has ample opportunity to compete for them.

Most casual fans only care about the Olympics once every four years, and for an Olympic champion, a loss or not-so-great showing in a small event, could be a blow for endorsement money, motivation speaking gigs, or SOI ticket sales.

Cherub721
10-16-2011, 08:17 PM
I must be incredibly naive because I didn't know these types of agreements existed. :lol: Obviously, skaters are allowed to earn money and still remain eligible unlike during the 80s. I understood that to mean that they could earn money using their skating talent for sponsorships and shows (I thought it was all a little incestuous when some of the companies sponsoring the US Nationals also had sponsorship deals with individual skaters).

I honestly had no idea that federations were allowed to pay skaters appearance fees for their participation in ISU or National events. :eek: Prize money yes, but money just to show up? Do other federations do this? I'm not saying it's right or wrong, just surprising.


It doesn't make a lot of sense to me why Lysacek would have agreed to let the USFS enter him into SA if they had not agreed to some sort of contract at (or before) that time.


From my reading of the Hersh article (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/globetrotting/chi-lysacek-pulls-out-of-skate-america-20111014,0,2933916.column) that was posted, Evan is really trying to take a passive stance. He says that all he did was allow USFS to enter him and that he had not officially announced his comeback, because he did not want to disappoint the fans. He said it was bold of USFS to use his picture in SA ads. It's disingenuous, IMO. It's ridiculous to split hairs as to whether he signed up for SA or "allowed" USFS to sign him up. He knew he was registered for this event, so how could he then pretend to be surprised that he was in the ads? :rofl:

I am guessing that he figured they would relent at the last minute and raise their financial offer so he would skate. I don't really understand that logic, because by now the tickets are sold and the TV contracts are signed, so USFS has already gotten their use out of his name. I see he is already working the press to try and get a deal for Nats, too: "I am in the best shape of my life," he said. "I'll continue to train with the hope an agreement can be reached by the U.S. Championships." I guess that's why he didn't gracefully bow out with the injury as the reason; he wants the public to know why he's not skating. Maybe he thinks his fans will start tweeting the USFS to pay him to skate at Nats or something.

MacMadame
10-16-2011, 08:48 PM
Most casual fans only care about the Olympics once every four years, and for an Olympic champion, a loss or not-so-great showing in a small event, could be a blow for endorsement money, motivation speaking gigs, or SOI ticket sales.
Except most casual fans won't know that he had a less than great showing at the small event since they only pay attention to the Olympics.

I think the only danger is if you are already perceived to be a one-hit wonder and then you continue to compete and never do anything great again thus re-inforcing that perception. I don't think that Evan has that perception about his win and I doubt he wouldn't be able to continue to win events and maybe even win another World Championship and definitely some National Championships.



I honestly had no idea that federations were allowed to pay skaters appearance fees for their participation in ISU or National events. :eek: Prize money yes, but money just to show up? Do other federations do this?
Yes, other federations do it. But more so in the golden years after the whack.


I guess that's why he didn't gracefully bow out with the injury as the reason; he wants the public to know why he's not skating. Maybe he thinks his fans will start tweeting the USFS to pay him to skate at Nats or something.
But he risks them tweeting to tell USFS to never pay him another dime.

PeterG
10-16-2011, 09:03 PM
There's always a remote possibility his withdrawal isn't for financial reasons. A "suitable agreement" could mean other things. None of us know for sure, and it's all speculation at this point.

Harumph! If we follow your train of thought, that would leave very little room for us to slander Evan now, wouldn't it? And what fun would this thread be then??

senorita
10-16-2011, 10:40 PM
^If he had kept a TBA post at the GPs the thread wouldnt have happened. He is not the first to withdraw from an event, big deal..His twit made it a big deal..I find naive to believe a skater of his status couldnt imagine that his federation would use his image and his comeback for the events he signed in. What does it mean he let the US federation put his name there, he subscribed for the Gps, doenst he know the rules, of course they would advertise it, as a matter of fact TEB could have made the same with his name put there, but in France he isnt that popular so they just didnt.

shan
10-16-2011, 11:15 PM
I had no idea that skaters got paid to appear at Nationals.

Ziggy
10-16-2011, 11:16 PM
I can't think of what else this could mean? A private locker room? A swanky hotel room? I've never in all my years of skating fandom heard a skater use this excuse for pulling out of a competition. And was the USFS supposed to provide "a suitable arrangement" for his competing at TEB also? Or did he just not feel like doing that one? This whole thing is just bonkers.

ANYWAY, I wasn't really looking forward to seeing him skate anyway and I'm really happy for Razzano to get the spot- he's been a good little soldier the past few years and its really fantastic for him to finally get a chance to score a season's best. Its really a big shame we can't get Messing, Aaron, and Carriere on there too somehow. Three great skaters who won't be getting a SB score this year unless they make the 4CC or Worlds team. Its so frustrating that B comps don't count for anything!

That.

MacMadame
10-16-2011, 11:23 PM
I had no idea that skaters got paid to appear at Nationals.

I am pretty sure they do not. They are required to be there if they want to make the World team. So USFS has no reason to pay them to show up.

However, the GP is entirely optional and hosting NGBs want the big name skaters to show up when they have little incentive to do so. That sets up a situation where $$ is going to change hands.

kwanfan1818
10-16-2011, 11:29 PM
Except most casual fans won't know that he had a less than great showing at the small event since they only pay attention to the Olympics.
All they need is to see is a headline on the sports page "Olympic Champion Beaten" or a similar mention on ESPN, and the damage is done.



However, the GP is entirely optional and hosting NGBs want the big name skaters to show up when they have little incentive to do so. That sets up a situation where $$ is going to change hands.
In North America and, I believe, Japan, where there aren't touring events during the Fall, that's certainly true.

In Europe the incentive to compete in GP can be that they don't have to miss Fall shows in which they can't compete if they skip GP.

shan
10-17-2011, 12:19 AM
So I wonder what arrangements or agreement Evan was referring to when he mentioned Nationals.

jlai
10-17-2011, 12:20 AM
So I wonder what arrangements or agreement Evan was referring to when he mentioned Nationals.

Getting a judging panel and specialists who happen to prefer a "masculine" style of skating :P

nubka
10-17-2011, 01:18 AM
Getting a judging panel and specialists who happen to prefer a "masculine" style of skating :P

Lol! "Artistic, passionate, intense" arm-flailing, too. Remember when Plushy does it, it's just plain arm-flailing... :D

nubka
10-17-2011, 01:25 AM
Hopefully Evan has a good money manager who invested his money so it will grow and be there for his future.

Yes, maybe then he can afford to have his Las Vegas home redecorated... :yikes:

MacMadame
10-17-2011, 02:10 AM
So I wonder what arrangements or agreement Evan was referring to when he mentioned Nationals.
He said he hoped they'd come to an agreement by Nationals. That doesn't mean the agreement involves appearance fees for Nationals.

My big guess is that he wants funding for training expenses similar to what he would have gotten in envelope funding if he had skated last year and qualified for an envelope. But it's just a guess.


All they need is to see is a headline on the sports page "Olympic Champion Beaten" or a similar mention on ESPN, and the damage is done.
Eh, still not buying it. There are too many people out there who think Michelle Kwan won an Olympic Gold Medal or that Kristi Yamaguchi is still competing for me to buy the idea that Evan's reputation would be significantly tarnished if he didn't win at Skate America this year.