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PDilemma
10-20-2011, 04:00 PM
Regarding Evan, I get the distinct impression that some posters will not be happy with anything he does unless he turns over his OGM to Plushy then asked to be publicly flogged for accepting it in the 1st place. :rofl:

He would probably fail to create a meaningful enough experience for Plushy when he handed it over. And he would surely have the flogging administered not to their liking. :lol:

BittyBug
10-20-2011, 04:02 PM
I don't have any issue with Evan's withdrawal or the conjectured reasoning for his withdrawal, but I'd like to point out that it's quite possible to criticize Evan without it being rooted in jealousy or bias related to any of his competitors. ;)

Yazmeen
10-20-2011, 04:05 PM
Actually, some Evan non-fans would probably only be satisfied if he broke up every other medal he won without doing a quad and divided it among the quad skaters AND exchanged his 2008 Nationals Gold with Johnny Weir for the silver...

Seriously, BittyBug, I concur with what you are saying, but some of the "usual suspects" here are just glad to have a thread where they can dump on Evan and howl yet again.

REO
10-20-2011, 04:11 PM
Maybe not THE Kween, dear....

LOL Devil.

I find this whole issue of where he should live and what taxes he should be paying ludicrous. Last time I checked American citizens have the right to chose where they want to live whether for tax purposes or just because. (One of the dwindling few rights left to us) Perhaps Evan made a wad of money in '10 through appearances and especially for DWTS. That doesn't mean '11 has been a bumper crop year. Like people have said 'how soon we forget'. He's smart to cash in where he can and to be careful with what he has.

euterpe
10-20-2011, 04:14 PM
Loulou,

To answer your question, states that do not have state income taxes still collect revenue thru other taxes. In particular, many states with no state income tax have higher property tax than those states that have a state income tax.

New Jersey has a state income tax, a 7% sales tax, and some of the highest property taxes in the US.

Louise
10-20-2011, 04:25 PM
New Jersey has a state income tax, a 7% sales tax, and some of the highest property taxes in the US.

Yep, my sister wanted to move back to NJ, but found that it would overwhelm them financially. I'm just waiting for NJ to go bust. I looked into buying a vacation home in Ventnor, OC, AC, and my tax atty told me to find another state. I read in some article that NJ is the worst place to live in terms of cost of living and taxes.

hirshey girl
10-20-2011, 06:13 PM
I don't have any issue with Evan's withdrawal or the conjectured reasoning for his withdrawal, but I'd like to point out that it's quite possible to criticize Evan without it being rooted in jealousy or bias related to any of his competitors. ;)

I know, I was just poking fun at the "usual suspects" as Yazmeen calls them. :D

nubka
10-20-2011, 06:42 PM
He would probably fail to create a meaningful enough experience for Plushy when he handed it over. And he would surely have the flogging administered not to their liking. :lol:

Nah. If Plushy gets a gold, he's got to do it the right way... :P

Zemgirl
10-20-2011, 07:00 PM
I don't have any issue with Evan's withdrawal or the conjectured reasoning for his withdrawal, but I'd like to point out that it's quite possible to criticize Evan without it being rooted in jealousy or bias related to any of his competitors. ;)
Indeed.


Seriously, BittyBug, I concur with what you are saying, but some of the "usual suspects" here are just glad to have a thread where they can dump on Evan and howl yet again.
I don't think I'm a usual suspect, but for the record, he deserved to win 2009 Worlds. I do take issue with some of his scores afterward - there was quite the world champion bonus going on - but for the most part, he finished where he should have. As for Vancouver, I was so traumatized by the men's SP that I only watched the LPs in bits and pieces and not all in real time, so I'll withhold judgment.

Willowway
10-20-2011, 08:09 PM
Living in a STATE that does not have a STATE income tax does not equate to "cutting financial support to the COUNTRY." There are several STATES that do not have a STATE income tax. Lysacek still has to pay FEDERAL income tax even if he lives in a state that does not have a STATE income tax.

Further... where you EARN the money is critical also. I live in NY state, my salary is sourced through our office in CT although I am never in CT and don't actually work there in fact. I have to file CT taxes because that's where I earn. If, for sake of discussion, Evan is earning money by working in California, then he is filing as a non-resident and paying CA taxes - doesn't really matter where he lives for that. Now, that said, there are lots of ways to structure these things and his personal corporation (which he undoubtedly has) may be established in Nevada and that would affect his taxes. But it's never a total dodge.

Allskate
10-21-2011, 03:41 AM
That's true, expecially referring to people with means.

The fact it happens all the time and rules are designed to allow it, doesn't make it right, though.
Infact, it's one of the reasons the western economies ended belly up, and are now risking a double dip.

I don't call it grown up or smart.
Actually, I think it's pretty short sighted: from what I read here, the federation is alredy suffering now due to this economy; soon enough there will be very litttle room left for any negotiation at all, for any skater at all.

I guess we have different books.

How does Nevada pay for any service that's not on federal books? I suppose those should include schools, streets, parks, local police maybe?

Nevada has other taxes. Sales tax, property tax, and taxes on tourists visiting hotels/resorts/casinos.

As for Evan's GP decision, I think it may turn out to be short-sighted if he really is going to compete later. He could have benefitted from working out programs and hearing from the judges and getting back into the competitive scene sooner rather than later.

Ziggy
10-21-2011, 04:00 AM
So let's start the guessing game. Is tiredout Evan's:

- manager
- publicist
- mum
- it's Evan himself

?


Well that was a whole bunch of words that didn't clear up anything. Good job!

Ditto. Hence, I vote publicist. ;)

I am still LOL-ing over the fact Evan thinks he's Kwan. :D

ChelleC
10-21-2011, 04:34 AM
Actually, some Evan non-fans would probably only be satisfied if he broke up every other medal he won without doing a quad and divided it among the quad skaters AND exchanged his 2008 Nationals Gold with Johnny Weir for the silver...


I'm not certain they would be satisfied then. :lol:

ciocio
10-21-2011, 07:52 AM
Regarding Evan, I get the distinct impression that some posters will not be happy with anything he does unless he turns over his OGM to Plushy then asked to be publicly flogged for accepting it in the 1st place. :rofl:

:blah:
Why don´t you read the threads about Plushy´s come back. Should I assume that lot of posters are jelous of his "platinum medal" ????:rofl::rofl:

This is a problem between Evan and USFSA. No other skater, fan, hater, etc has anything to do with it.

loulou
10-21-2011, 12:07 PM
Loulou,
To answer your question, states that do not have state income taxes still collect revenue thru other taxes. In particular, many states with no state income tax have higher property tax than those states that have a state income tax.

That would defeat the statement tireout made: that Lysacek bought a house in Nevada to cut himself a better tax deal.



Like any other state? Sales taxes, your car registration, taxes on cigarettes and alcohol, property taxes, county/city income taxes, etc?? Erm, and casinos?

I suppose Casinos aren't that relevant (if even present) in any other states.



Nevada has other taxes. Sales tax, property tax, and taxes on tourists visiting hotels/resorts/casinos.

That's more like it.
If a good share of Nevada taxes are paid by visitors, then Lysacek did cut himself a better tax deal (considering, as it was mentioned, that he'd probably finad a way to move around where he makes the money, or where he spends most of his time).



Evan Lysacek is not obligated to pay the most taxes possible. He's obligated to pay what's legally required of him.

Of course.

Legally obligation are pretty different from what's right, though: you wouldn't brag about being a cheater on your partner, even if the law allows it, would you?
- To be clear, that's generical: I'm not calling you cheater.

Lysacek is amongst the lucky ones, and his country offered him great chances.
I think now would be the time to give back, not the time to find yourself a better tax deal.
Expecially since it's hard for people with limited means to arrange the same, and very unfair (short sighted, poison for the whole society in the long run) to leave worst taxation deals on the shoulders of those less fortunate.