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Scintillation
10-31-2011, 03:38 PM
She probably won't be allowed to coach, what with her connections to a child porn case, and now this.

Wait, what? Did I miss something? She was connected to a child porn case??? :yikes: Ugh.

BigB08822
10-31-2011, 03:56 PM
There was this: http://www.intlgymnast.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2480:van-de-leur-pleads-guilty-to-extortion&catid=2:news&Itemid=53

Then this: http://www.nisnews.nl/public/040511_2.htm

I seem to remember the blame being placed on her bf for the child porn but I could be totally wrong. Either way, she was acquitted.

She sounds so very delightful.

Fridge_Break
10-31-2011, 04:20 PM
:duh: :duh: :duh:

Buzz
10-31-2011, 11:47 PM
Jordyn Wieber has announced that she is turning pro on her facebook page. She can and does still plan on both attending college and the olympics so good luck to her.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/olympics/story/2011-10-31/jordyn-wieber-gymnast/51018754/1

BigB08822
11-01-2011, 03:45 AM
The NCAA needs to get with the program and begin finding a way for these girls to make money AND compete in college. Why should she have to chose between paying for all of this training or having college paid for? They are about to begin paying football players $2000 a year. How about letting these gymnasts make money AND compete somehow? Maybe they can take up a scholarship place but not actually get a scholarship. This way it keeps teams from begin stacked with professional athletes AND having a roster full of amazing scholarshipped athletes. So if they take on a pro they lose a scholarship but the pro athlete has to pay their way through school?

Scintillation
11-01-2011, 03:59 AM
There was this: http://www.intlgymnast.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2480:van-de-leur-pleads-guilty-to-extortion&catid=2:news&Itemid=53

Then this: http://www.nisnews.nl/public/040511_2.htm

I seem to remember the blame being placed on her bf for the child porn but I could be totally wrong. Either way, she was acquitted.

She sounds so very delightful.

From the articles, it sounded like some hardcore lawyerin' happened to place the blame on someone else for the child porn. What a hot mess.

BigB08822
11-01-2011, 04:10 AM
From the articles, it sounded like some hardcore lawyerin' happened to place the blame on someone else for the child porn. What a hot mess.

That is the way I took it as well. I don't know if this went to a jury or how things work over there but a jury or judge would probably be much more likely to believe that a woman wouldn't have child porn. Not saying it doesn't happen, but I know I would believe that excuse coming from a woman before I believed it coming from a man.

VIETgrlTerifa
11-01-2011, 05:12 AM
Although I don't believe college athletes should actually be paid to compete (or be allowed to take endorsements) just because I think it would open a huge can of worms, it is unfair for a sport like gymnastics when their version of professional (elite-level) for women usually happens for women before they hit the college age. Basketball and Football players get to enjoy scholarships and a college education and college-level sports before they get to cash in professionally. Female gymnasts aren't afforded that opportunity.

aka_gerbil
11-01-2011, 06:20 PM
Although I don't believe college athletes should actually be paid to compete (or be allowed to take endorsements) just because I think it would open a huge can of worms, it is unfair for a sport like gymnastics when their version of professional (elite-level) for women usually happens for women before they hit the college age. Basketball and Football players get to enjoy scholarships and a college education and college-level sports before they get to cash in professionally. Female gymnasts aren't afforded that opportunity.

For me, the middle-ground position would be to let the girls earn enough to pay for training and travel expenses related to gymnastics and maybe have some restriction as to where/how the funds could be earned and/or a cap on how much could be earned each year.

vesperholly
11-01-2011, 09:00 PM
it is unfair for a sport like gymnastics when their version of professional (elite-level) for women usually happens for women before they hit the college age. Basketball and Football players get to enjoy scholarships and a college education and college-level sports before they get to cash in professionally. Female gymnasts aren't afforded that opportunity.

Completely agree. Why not simply forbid them from being paid during their collegiate competitive years?

Scintillation
11-02-2011, 04:35 AM
I just need to clear up my own confusion...so by turning professional, gymnasts cannot accept scholarships to colleges for gymnastics, or are they completely forbidden from participating in collegiate gymnastics? I vaguely remember hearing that Alicia Sacramone went pro while at Brown and could no longer compete with the school's team. Either way it does seem unfair to the athletes to force them to make that choice.

BigB08822
11-02-2011, 06:16 AM
When an athlete goes pro (which means they accept prize money and/or endorsement money) they can no longer compete in NCAA gymnastics. They are not eligible for a scholarship and they may not compete as a walk on who pays their own tuition.

Part of the reason the rules are as they are is to keep the schools in check. It isn't just about keeping the girls from making money or getting a free education. If these girls could make money and pay their own tuition but still compete then we would have schools like Florida with a stacked group of scholarshipped athletes PLUS walk ons who are all professionals. It would stack certain schools because the walk ons don't take up their scholarships. That's why I propose allowing professionals to compete but making them pay their own way. However, and here is the catch, it must take away one of the schools usual scholarships. It would actually save the schools some money and in this economy that never hurts.

reese
11-02-2011, 07:38 AM
This (http://www.freep.com/article/20111028/SPORTS17/111028030/Jordyn-Wieber-Olympic-gold-medal-favorite-from-Michigan-turning-pro?odyssey=nav|head) only confirms what I already think about John Geddert.


"We still need to keep our eye on the prize," Geddert said of the London Games. "I'm supportive of the idea in that Jordyn isn't cut out for college gymnastics. I don't think the 14 weekends in a row doing watered-down gymnastics, that's not what she's all about. When you compete with the best in the world, I don't see her sinking her teeth into that type of situation."

Where to even start with these comments? What a moron and an egomaniac.

Allen
11-02-2011, 11:51 AM
This (http://www.freep.com/article/20111028/SPORTS17/111028030/Jordyn-Wieber-Olympic-gold-medal-favorite-from-Michigan-turning-pro?odyssey=nav|head) only confirms what I already think about John Geddert.



Where to even start with these comments? What a moron and an egomaniac.

After his patronizing explanation of my Anna Li wasn't placed in the lineup after Alicia's interesting, I pretty much decided I was going to avoid his blogs and quotes as much as possible.

Fridge_Break
11-02-2011, 02:01 PM
That's sad to hear, considering that many of the Michigan State gymnasts have trained and/or coached at his gym.