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Aussie Willy
10-25-2011, 02:35 AM
Heh one just have to look at this year's Skate America to know politics is alive and well... don't worry about Carolina Kostner, her favourtism will come back in spades at her next big competition.


So where is the evidence of the politics? You have made the statement, now please explain it.

leafygreens
10-25-2011, 04:14 AM
Controversial result in the Womens gymnastics all-around today with many believing that Komova was the real winner.

Sorry, but this is so stupid. Jordyn earned it! It's just sour grapes nothing more. Both of them had similar errors, but Komova's gymnastics was sloppier overall, whereas Jordyn's form was impeccable. Their scores were almost tied anyway, so Jordyn didn't win by much but she did deserve to win.

RumbleFish
10-25-2011, 01:00 PM
So where is the evidence of the politics? You have made the statement, now please explain it.

Not all politics leaves evidences, and Not everyone needs evidences to sense politics.

Frau Muller
10-25-2011, 02:23 PM
Not all politics leaves evidences, and Not everyone needs evidences to sense politics.

Let's see...Skate America...in America...with Smuckers a sponsor...SOI interests....Scotty H calling the shots...NBC hoping to create the Next-Great-Hamill...gee, politiks?

Aussie Willy
10-26-2011, 01:25 PM
Not all politics leaves evidences, and Not everyone needs evidences to sense politics.
Is "evidences" actually a word?

Sorry but if someone is going to make a suggestion that a result is proof that politics is alive and well, then you have to be able to back it up. Otherwise it is just an unsubstaniated statement which doesn't mean anything.

RumbleFish
10-26-2011, 01:48 PM
Is "evidences" actually a word?

Sorry but if someone is going to make a suggestion that a result is proof that politics is alive and well, then you have to be able to back it up. Otherwise it is just an unsubstaniated statement which doesn't mean anything.

You must live in a happy world where figure skating is free from politics.
Good for you. Hope you live happily ever after.:P

BTW, thank you for giving me a lesson in English. It really adds so much to this discussion.

os168
10-26-2011, 04:42 PM
Is "evidences" actually a word?

Sorry but if someone is going to make a suggestion that a result is proof that politics is alive and well, then you have to be able to back it up. Otherwise it is just an unsubstaniated statement which doesn't mean anything.

As with anything in politics, there're no such things as 'concrete evidence', but are based perspectives, prerogatives, interests, self serving 'circumstances'. If you want to prove it is absolutely fair, then similarly produce 'evidence' that judgments are always fair and justified?

To do such a thing would be impossible.

Human judgement are subject to social and political pressures including learning experiences (which has its own sets of problems including knee jerk reactions). As long as human judgement determines the key variables for this sport, it will be political and it'd be impossible to eradicate. The only key question is how 'hard' the judges tries to stay fair and not to let it affect their judgements.

Many mentioned Alissa was underscored at Worlds, I happen to be in agreement with that. So it is only expected that given this is Skate America, she was compensated generously (Along with USF interests for her to do well), .13 points is enough for a gold ranking. Just like Mirai was 4th at Olympics, suffered from underscore during her SP, at her next big competition at worlds, she was generously marked (although you can say fairly marked, but that is just perspective). Now Skate Canada next... Patrick Chan mark controversy on the horizon, we will see.

julieann
10-26-2011, 04:45 PM
Let's see...Skate America...in America...with Smuckers a sponsor...SOI interests....Scotty H calling the shots...NBC hoping to create the Next-Great-Hamill...gee, politiks?

Smuckers? WTH?

Why are you picking on the Jelly folks?

Aussie Willy
10-26-2011, 10:29 PM
You must live in a happy world where figure skating is free from politics.
Good for you. Hope you live happily ever after.:P

BTW, thank you for giving me a lesson in English. It really adds so much to this discussion.
Oh well just add you to my ignore list. No point trying to reason with an idiot.

AndyWarhol
10-27-2011, 12:47 PM
Of course there are still politics. All that CoP has managed to eradicate is beautiful one position spins.