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Louise
10-10-2011, 04:43 PM
I used to watch '1000 Ways to Die' and figured these stories were all just made up. But here's another one.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-1010-train-death-20111010,0,7434184.story

What in the world? Why she didn't just grab her baby from the stroller and run is perplexing. It's like a bad 80s horror movie, where you are screaming at the screen for their stupidity. "Grab the baby! Run! Don't just stand there over and over trying to free the stroller!"

At least the baby survived and will never have to worry about her mother putting her life in danger again.

Beefcake
10-10-2011, 05:03 PM
(((( Deceased, her child, and her family )))) She obviously panicked in not just leaving the entangled stroller behind.

But, yeh, she shouldn't have started crossing against the warning lights and arm to begin with ... and then, should've turned back after the initial stroller/tracks problem.

nylynnr
10-10-2011, 05:06 PM
(((( Deceased, her child, and her family )))) She obviously panicked in not just leaving the entangled stroller behind.

But, yeh, she shouldn't have started crossing against the warning lights and arm to begin with ... and then, should've turned back after the initial stroller/tracks problem.

Here's betting a lawsuit against the city, Metrolink, etc. is in the offing.

Beefcake
10-10-2011, 05:18 PM
Oy vey, probably. For not having a solid wall that comes down at the cross for people who choose to ignore the warning bells and whistles, or for not having a person there to pull her back, or for not having brakes on their trains that can stop an X-tons locomotive on a dime.

duane
10-10-2011, 05:31 PM
What in the world? Why she didn't just grab her baby from the stroller and run is perplexing. It's like a bad 80s horror movie, where you are screaming at the screen for their stupidity. "Grab the baby! Run! Don't just stand there over and over trying to free the stroller!"

At least the baby survived and will never have to worry about her mother putting her life in danger again.
Blunt comments, but right on the mark. It's tragic that the mother died, but it's because of her own reckless behavior.

Anita18
10-10-2011, 05:32 PM
Oy vey, probably. For not having a solid wall that comes down at the cross for people who choose to ignore the warning bells and whistles, or for not having a person there to pull her back, or for not having brakes on their trains that can stop an X-tons locomotive on a dime.
I think they can only sue if there was an actual mechanical problem, which there doesn't seem to be. The safety arms came down as they should, the conductor saw her, blew the horn, and tried to stop. It takes more than a mile for a full-loaded freight train to stop. Not sure about a passenger train, but it sure ain't a car!

If it's stupid to even drive your car around the safety arms when they're down, it's moronically stupid to walk a baby stroller around them. :wall: It's unfortunate that this woman paid with her life and that her child will grow up without a mother because of her stupidity, but it is what it is.

Louise
10-10-2011, 05:35 PM
I suppose the family can file a lawsuit, anyone can sue for anything. But there are many eyewitnesses that saw her completely disregard the gate and alarm lights. I just don't see what more the railway company could have reasonably done. Most people, especially ones walking with a baby stroller, would heed the warnings.

It's just hard to imagine something like this happening. Do people not think they won't be harmed when breaking rules? The one time I ever crossed over a RR with the lights and whistles and gates on, I had been sitting there for over 5 minutes and there was still no sign of a train. I figured the crossing apparati were messed up. So I made the decision to drive around the arms. BUT, before I did, I made sure the door was unlocked, the window was open, I was not locked in with my seatbelt, I didn't accidentally tie my shoelaces to the brake, etc. It took all of ten seconds to plan for disaster, in case that one and only time my car decides to break down happens when I'm straddled on a RR track with a train coming. This woman just showed no foresight. And the fact that the stroller got stuck THREE times just shows how less than intelligent she was. After it got stuck the first time, I'd be thinking maybe it's better to turn back, or just PICK UP the stroller, or get the baby unfastened if needed. Unless she secured that baby with duct tape into the stroller, she should have easily gotten the baby out and made a run for it.

A sad sad story.

nylynnr
10-10-2011, 05:40 PM
I think they can only sue if there was an actual mechanical problem, which there doesn't seem to be.

Nope, as long as there is a lawyer who takes the case, people can sue. And I am betting the manufacturer of the stroller, as well as the City and train, will be named. I further bet that rather than go to court and run up costs, the insurance companies will settle for a few hundred thousand or so.

Beefcake
10-10-2011, 05:43 PM
Er, I was listing outlandishly ridiculous possible lawsuits. I don't really think that there should be a solid wall that comes down at that intersection. Of course, a lawyer may argue that anyway. :shuffle:

ITA that, if the scenario is as reported, this woman indeed did pay for her stubbornness/foolishness/aloofness with her life ... no negligence on anyone else's part.

Anita18
10-10-2011, 05:43 PM
Nope, as long as there is a lawyer who takes the case, people can sue. And I am betting the manufacturer of the stroller, as well as the City and train, will be named. I further bet that rather than go to court and run up costs, the insurance companies will settle for a few hundred thousand or so.
Of course people can sue if they can get a lawyer, but it would take a judge to actually look at it and not just throw it out for uselessness. :P They do do that at times...

WindSpirit
10-10-2011, 05:46 PM
I agree with all who said that what she did was really stupid. The saddest thing about it is that it was 100% preventable. I think I did that a few times (went under the gate) when I was a teenager, but I would never do it now. Especially if I had a child with me.

I feel bad for everyone involved: the woman (it was pure stupidity but she didn't deserve to die for it); her baby; their family, but also the conductor and people on the train.

nylynnr
10-10-2011, 06:28 PM
Of course people can sue if they can get a lawyer, but it would take a judge to actually look at it and not just throw it out for uselessness. :P They do do that at times...

Judges very rarely throw these cases out, and if so, only after discovery, depositions, motions, etc., all of which are expensive. It is far more likely insurers will elect to settle in a case of this type, prior to running up legal bills.

genevieve
10-10-2011, 06:40 PM
this was on the local news last night, but they didn't mention that the safety bars had already started coming down. They just went on and on about a "mother's ultimate sacrifice". :rolleyes: I think that would apply if this were a case of getting a baby out of a burning building, or from a car wreck, but this was a tragic and entirely preventable incident.

And I feel very sorry for the conductor of the train, who must be completely traumatised.

numbers123
10-10-2011, 07:53 PM
I agree with all who said that what she did was really stupid. The saddest thing about it is that it was 100% preventable. I think I did that a few times (went under the gate) when I was a teenager, but I would never do it now. Especially if I had a child with me.

I feel bad for everyone involved: the woman (it was pure stupidity but she didn't deserve to die for it); her baby; their family, but also the conductor and people on the train.

It was stupid, but people do stupid things everyday. We don't know if the mom had thought that she would have missed work, missed a doctor's appointment, etc. Or thought that she had never had any problems when crossing tracks before so why now? Or had done this a several times before and never had an issue. As to getting the baby out of the stroller and getting out of the way - sometimes those stroller straps are unmanageable and difficult to open without the fear of a train coming at you.

I feel for the train conductor - even if someone causes their own death from their own stupidity, he has be undergoing tremendous PSTD

I hope that no one takes a potential lawsuit seriously.

Jenna
10-10-2011, 07:56 PM
This is very sad for all parties involved. :(