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Aussie Willy
10-09-2011, 10:59 PM
I think this was a concern when the senior pattern dance was announced this year. The ice dance version of the Rhumba is so different from the ballroom version, that it just doesn't seem to integrate well into a latin program. It's surprising to see such low level calls as well from some of the top teams.

I kind of like the junior SD's better with the Cha Cha Congelado.
I agree about the Cha Cha. It has a lot more meat to it and the skaters can really attack it and give it something.

As for calling it with levels, what's to call? The main highlight of the dance is the choctaw (which is what makes it difficult as a compulsory) but there is probably not a lot else. But any senior team should make it look easy through.

I think regardless of how much I felt it doesn't work, I did think V&M did those sections very well. They are such good ice dancers.

literaryfreak
10-10-2011, 02:10 AM
I thought the non-touching circular step sequence could include the skaters crossing each other - weaving in and out between each other (as we sometimes see in the non-touching midline) - but I haven't seen any SDs with that just yet. Maybe it's too hard for skaters to do that in a circular pattern?

shan
10-10-2011, 02:18 AM
I thought the non-touching circular step sequence could include the skaters crossing each other - weaving in and out between each other (as we sometimes see in the non-touching midline) - but I haven't seen any SDs with that just yet. Maybe it's too hard for skaters to do that in a circular pattern?

Ooh that could be amazing!!

Tammi
10-10-2011, 02:52 AM
I thought the non-touching circular step sequence could include the skaters crossing each other - weaving in and out between each other (as we sometimes see in the non-touching midline) - but I haven't seen any SDs with that just yet. Maybe it's too hard for skaters to do that in a circular pattern?Here you go http://www.youtube.com/user/Tatjana2541#p/u/41/MyozuMcwAUc, starts at about 1:13. I imagine it is more difficult for the skaters to judge the spacing between them when it's in a circular pattern. For the higher scores, I think the judges look for the team to maintain a close distance and not drift more than 2 arm lengths away.

literaryfreak
10-10-2011, 04:18 AM
Here you go http://www.youtube.com/user/Tatjana2541#p/u/41/MyozuMcwAUc, starts at about 1:13. I imagine it is more difficult for the skaters to judge the spacing between them when it's in a circular pattern. For the higher scores, I think the judges look for the team to maintain a close distance and not drift more than 2 arm lengths away.

Thank you! I love how it looks here, with them skating in huge curves through each other's paths, even if they are a bit too far apart at times. Perhaps my favorite circular step sequence I've seen so far. I see why most teams would avoid it. Still, I would love to see a top senior team attempt something like this - I think it would really show off bladework skills.

Morelli
10-10-2011, 10:09 AM
I really don't like that circular step sequence. Gone is the symmetry that you get in a straight line sequence when in this one of the 2 is on the outside circle and one on the inner. I can't imagine anyone really making this work well.

L'amour
10-10-2011, 02:17 PM
I have seen some SDs from junior and senior team and all i can think is "what a hell was that??!!" The Rhumba pattern is out there, kind of lost among nonsense latin moves like "oh I'm sexy". I like the idea of the circukar step sequence, but nothing different or ecxiting appear yet.

The Rhumba SD was a bad idea, I wish they had choose Blues or Polka.

casken
10-10-2011, 06:34 PM
I really don't like that circular step sequence. Gone is the symmetry that you get in a straight line sequence when in this one of the 2 is on the outside circle and one on the inner. I can't imagine anyone really making this work well.

Yeah I feel the same. I give them credit for trying something new, but the sbs steps seemed to have stronger impact going straight across the ice, especially when teams did them very well.

I also agree that the Cha Cha is a far better CD to have for the SD. I actually enjoyed a few of the junior team's SDs this year becuase of the Cha Cha section and how it was integrated into the rest of the dance.

briancoogaert
10-10-2011, 06:56 PM
I love the Rhumba (the compulsory dance). But it seems really difficult to integrate it into a whole program. Is it because of the music : skaters use a slow section to put the CD part. But the original music is not slow. :confused:

ItalianFan
10-10-2011, 08:58 PM
I have seen some SDs from junior and senior team and all i can think is "what a hell was that??!!" The Rhumba pattern is out there, kind of lost among nonsense latin moves like "oh I'm sexy". I like the idea of the circukar step sequence, but nothing different or ecxiting appear yet.

The Rhumba SD was a bad idea, I wish they had choose Blues or Polka.



Nothing wrong with the rhumba but you gotta know how to dance it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19CYCcmA2Y0

Tak
10-10-2011, 10:42 PM
I am really hating this year's SD - the only one I've seen that I sort of liked was R/T, which for me was the best of the worst so far.

All those abrupt changes of music is so jarring - I think the SD would have worked so much better if they had just done a rhumba, and incorporated the CD into that.

All my favorite SD from last year just used the waltz rhythm and didnt try to mix it with something else. I/K was the only wango I liked. I was really hoping more couples would learn that lesson and stick to one rhythm for this SD. A rhumba can make a really great dance when choreographed well [check the link above for T/D]. I liked other rhumbas from that Olympics too.

I think incorporating the CD parts into a straight rhumba dance would have made it seem less jarring, and if you look at the CNTSS for R/T - they are the only couple so far that really seem to be dancing with each other as they go through it.

Another problem with this SD is that so far to me none of them have seemed really latin - a lot of shaking yeah - but no real latin feeling. And no real standout SD for me so far.

I really wish Jana was competing this year - her rhumba would have been :swoon::swoon:

barbk
10-11-2011, 12:28 AM
Nothing wrong with the rhumba but you gotta know how to dance it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19CYCcmA2Y0

That was gorgeous. :encore:

L'amour
10-11-2011, 01:37 AM
Nothing wrong with the rhumba but you gotta know how to dance it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19CYCcmA2Y0

:) absolutely! I like the Rumba itself. I juts hate it on those bad SDs ;)

casken
10-11-2011, 02:01 AM
Hmm... this would have been a good year to introduce the "Rhumba D'Amour" CD that was being experimented with a few seasons ago.

Judy
10-11-2011, 02:19 AM
I'm not sure I'll ever be a fan of the SD .. I miss the OD ..