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FiveRinger
10-13-2011, 01:39 AM
Last year Jon said he had a goal for himself to get a World AA medal that year to add to his career achievements. He won the bronze and said it was very satisfying for him to finally make the podium at Worlds in the AA but that he also really wanted the team to get there too. He used to seem arrogant to me back when he first hit the scene as a younger guy, but he's been a HUGE team player ever since winning the team bronze in Beijing so I believe him when he says he wants to stand on the podium with his teammates more than anything. I don't know if every team person feels that way but I believe Jon! :)

How are the Chinese going to send a team to London next year with only five athletes? They seem to have several specialist gymnasts this year but they probably won't be able to afford that next year. Should be interesting to see how the teams shake out next year with only five per team. :eek:

Yes, I remember Jon when he was a younger athlete and he was very brash, and as you say, arrogant. That was part of the reason I questioned the statement. But, again, because I never competed in team sports, I have a hard time wrapping my mind around the idea of training for years and years and being satisfied with a team medal. I thought most of these athletes wanted the glory of the individual AA. Gymnastics, for all intents and purposes is an individual sport, so I just had to put the question out there.

And no, I agree with you about Carly and Nastia. They are two completely different types of gymnasts with aspects that I appreciate.

FiveRinger
10-13-2011, 01:44 AM
Agreed. I love powerhouse gymnastics when it's well-executed with good lines. Carly was both powerful and graceful. Nastia always looked like she was going to break in half.

Slate.com has a really great articl (http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2011/10/usa_gymnastics_injuries_the_united_states_women_ke ep_winning_gol.single.html)e on the women's team situation:

I keep looking around for Martha Karolyi...who is that? :D
Not your error....that's what the author of the article calls her....by the way, it is a great article.

vesperholly
10-13-2011, 01:51 AM
I keep looking around for Martha Karolyi...who is that? :D
Not your error....that's what the author of the article calls her....by the way, it is a great article.

I've seen her called Martha in multiple articles recently. "Martha Karolyi" yields 181,000 Google hits, but "Marta Karolyi" gets only 83,000. *shrug*

HeatherC
10-13-2011, 01:55 AM
Yes, I remember Jon when he was a younger athlete and he was very brash, and as you say, arrogant. That was part of the reason I questioned the statement. But, again, because I never competed in team sports, I have a hard time wrapping my mind around the idea of training for years and years and being satisfied with a team medal. I thought most of these athletes wanted the glory of the individual AA. Gymnastics, for all intents and purposes is an individual sport, so I just had to put the question out there.

And no, I agree with you about Carly and Nastia. They are two completely different types of gymnasts with aspects that I appreciate.

I totally understand. This is a very individualistic sport that just happens to also have a team part to it and it makes sense to wonder how the gymnasts feel about the team part. I think the camps (as maligned as they may be by the fans, LOL) have really helped the athletes feel more like a team and you can see them supporting and cheering for each other much more than they've done in the past. Personally, I'd love to share one of the biggest moments of my life with four or five of my closest friends. :)

I love watching any of these guys vault. They're ridiculous! :eek: (BTW-Did they just chack Jake's vault????! :fragile: )

BigB08822
10-13-2011, 02:50 AM
Those of you who got up for the TF competitions, were you able to find a live stream if you are in the U.S.? I want to get up to watch the womens AA but only if I can watch it via stream and I am not paying Universal Sports.

galaxygirl
10-13-2011, 02:53 AM
Those of you who got up for the TF competitions, were you able to find a live stream if you are in the U.S.? I want to get up to watch the womens AA but only if I can watch it via stream and I am not paying Universal Sports.

I watched the woman's team final on this channel yesterday. I'm not sure if they'll be showing the AA final live, though.

http://tvali.eu/index.php?action=sat&channel=70954&d=2&h=08&m=20&selDate=2011-10-11

HeatherC
10-13-2011, 03:01 AM
Great competition tonight! I'm so proud of the US guys and I agree with what Danell said in his interview. He said they were very happy with the bronze but not satisfied because they know they can do better. That's a great way to put it and I think they're going to be a force next year. Go Team USA! :cheer:

Please let Jake Dalton make the team next year so I get my favorite eye candy in London. :swoon:

Garden Kitty
10-13-2011, 03:39 AM
I remember in an interview Michael Phelps once said that the individual wins and medals get more attention and financial rewards, but there was nothing more satisfying to him as an athlete than to win a team event and be able to share the experience with your teammates

tchaikovsky_177
10-13-2011, 03:40 AM
How are the Chinese going to send a team to London next year with only five athletes? They seem to have several specialist gymnasts this year but they probably won't be able to afford that next year. Should be interesting to see how the teams shake out next year with only five per team. :eek:



It's definitely a little bit tricky and will require some strategizing :P

Chen Yibing is a must, as the captain of the team. Feng Zhe should also be a lock (a potential all-arounder AND gold medallist on PB). Teng Haibin most likely as well (potential gold medallist in PH and can be used on at least 2 other events as well).

The other 2 spots would have to go to Zou Kai, Zhang Chenglong, Lu Bo and Yan Mingyong. Zou Kai and Zhang Chenglong are almost mirror images of each other (both extremely good on floor and HB) but useless everywhere else. Zou is probably a bit better than Zhang but I think he is more injury-prone so that could be tricky. I could see both of them being chosen, or choosing one of them. Lu Bo (who is currently injured and therefore didn't make the team this year) is a good all-arounder (6th at the Rotterdam 2010 Worlds) who can pretty much fill any necessary gap, so he could definitely be useful. Yan Mingyong is China's second best rings guy (after Chen) and second best pommel horse guy (after Teng). Who knows? :lol:

One thing I am pretty certain about is that China values the team gold more than any individual golds, so if they have someone who has a good chance of gold at an individual event but would severely undermine the team's chance at getting gold, that guy is probably a goner. ;)

Scintillation
10-13-2011, 04:01 AM
It never fails to impress me that the Chinese team always has at least one genius otherwordly specialist on at least 3 of the events. Chen Yibing is unbelievable on SR. Li Xiaopeng was spectacular on parallel bars and vault. Xiao Qin could outswing everyone on PH EVERY single time, and now they have that new PH genius, Teng.

judgejudy27
10-13-2011, 05:16 AM
It never fails to impress me that the Chinese team always has at least one genius otherwordly specialist on at least 3 of the events. Chen Yibing is unbelievable on SR. Li Xiaopeng was spectacular on parallel bars and vault. Xiao Qin could outswing everyone on PH EVERY single time, and now they have that new PH genius, Teng.

and to top it off their code whore Zou Kai who keeps winning floor and high bar and major events with seemingly not every difficult or exciting, code whore routines with mediocre form and artistry. :lol:

Scintillation
10-13-2011, 05:29 AM
and to top it off their code whore Zou Kai who keeps winning floor and high bar and major events with seemingly not every difficult or exciting, code whore routines with mediocre form and artistry. :lol:

Yeah. And then theres that guy.

mkats
10-13-2011, 05:55 AM
Xiao Qin could outswing everyone on PH EVERY single time, and now they have that new PH genius, Teng.

Is this the same Teng Haibin who cost the team a medal in Athens but then went on to win an individual gold in EF? If so he's been around for quite awhile :eek:

Loves_Shizuka
10-13-2011, 06:05 AM
Whilst you queens are busy dividing up your frat boys, I'm taking home the Russian and German teams. I may add in a Ukrainian and possibly Chen Yibing. It's a long day ahead.


and to top it off their code whore Zou Kai who keeps winning floor and high bar and major events with seemingly not every difficult or exciting, code whore routines with mediocre form and artistry. :lol:

Oh how I have missed you and your relentless negativity. :swoon:

ryanj07
10-13-2011, 06:26 AM
Whilst you queens are busy dividing up your frat boys, I'm taking home the Russian and German teams. I may add in a Ukrainian and possibly Chen Yibing. It's a long day ahead.

Well since you are taking entire teams, you should have no problem with me grabbing Philipp Boy from the Germans and Belyavskiy from the Russians. ;)