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oleada
11-11-2011, 05:15 AM
I really wish they could get Sui some basics training because it's obvious the girl is a very talented and charismatic performer. But poor basics will hold them back eventually.

Yukari Lepisto
11-11-2011, 05:23 AM
I also hope that someone can tell Sui that moving her head this much is very very distracting. It might look cute now cause she's very young, people might think that's adorable, but that's something that needs to be changed. Every single program they skate to, doesn't matter the content or the kind of music, she's always moving/shaking/whatever her head wayyyyy to much.

Ziggy
11-11-2011, 05:06 PM
lol, one person 11.5 pairs... that's way crazier than marina/igor! haha

She has an assistant coach now.

I take it you've never seen one coach training 40-60 skaters on one session then? :P

Pretty stantard in Poland and I am sure that also in many other places, where ice time is limited and there's a lack of funding.


I also hope that someone can tell Sui that moving her head this much is very very distracting. It might look cute now cause she's very young, people might think that's adorable, but that's something that needs to be changed. Every single program they skate to, doesn't matter the content or the kind of music, she's always moving/shaking/whatever her head wayyyyy to much.

No, it doesn't need to be changed. You're talking about a personal preference.

As long as it suits the music (and it does because they always skate upbeat programs), it's actually a good thing that ticks the PCS boxes.

And please, I'd much rather see skaters move any part of their body, to intepret the music and make the program more complex, than just skate through their music.

l'etoile
11-16-2011, 06:35 PM
It's really nice to see someone bring this topic up again :lol: Thanks to Song's brilliant performance.

However, I'm still more impressive with the juniors. Most excited news to me is that Jin Boyang attemped 4T at gala:eek:. Even he failed, it is still unbelievable for a young boy at his age to give a try. He actually landed one at the practice. It's a pity that he was not sent to JGP this season, but I kind of understand it. China have 1 spot per competation, totally 7 spots. And they skip 3 competations due to NC. They also failed to get the visa for Estonia. That left no spot for Jin, since Yan and Zhang get 2 spots and Liu for 1. Jin is unbelievably talented for jumps but still a lot to work on SS. Next season's JGP will be very exciting;)

As for Sui's punishment, it was posted by a fan who knows them in person. She also posted some inside information before. Whatever the cause, Sui has been off-ice for about 2 months. SH re-started the training right before ArOI this summer.

There are always some interesting news/information of skaters on Chinese board. Yan seems to be quite different off-ice, having a strong personality. There is no athletes in his family. His parents didn't want to him do FS, the only supported member was his grandfather. Zijun is coming from a comparatively wealthy family, and her parents have spent a great number on her skating before she entered the national team. Her mother also quit job and move to Beijing to take care of her.

some interesting pics from weibo.
Yan and Yuzuru (http://ww2.sinaimg.cn/large/40c5c55djw1dmuad7qem3j.jpg)
Yan and Zhang (http://ww3.sinaimg.cn/bmiddle/64e75ccdgw1dmv774eu42j.jpg)
quite cool pic of Yan at COC gala (http://ww1.sinaimg.cn/bmiddle/742a5fe8jw1dmvha9dkxaj.jpg)
Jin Boyang surrongded by Russian ladies (http://imgsrc.baidu.com/forum/pic/item/d788d43f8794a4c2b314d16d0ef41bd5ad6e3944.jpg)
Zijun's dog (http://ww1.sinaimg.cn/bmiddle/71eb2af7jw1dhu2vlme35j.jpg) Is this the same kinds as mao's?
Zijun in Canada (http://ww4.sinaimg.cn/bmiddle/71eb2af7jw1dhozmttp3pj.jpg)

thanks for this post!

Sylvia
12-02-2011, 11:31 PM
Article on Nan SONG after his silver medal at the Trophée Eric Bompard (he's 1st alternate to the Grand Prix Final): http://www.goldenskate.com/2011/12/breakthrough-for-nan-song/

Seerek
12-11-2011, 02:07 AM
Hopefully this breakdown in Component Scores from Han Yan's LP at the Junior Grand Prix Final is a good wake up call for the Chinese Federation to get him good packaging starting next season..

SS TR PE CH IN
7.21 5.68 6.46 6.25 6.32

Marco
12-11-2011, 11:37 AM
He and He Chong are by far my favorite Chinese male skaters at the moment. Professional choreographers for the whole Chinese team will go a looong way. If things go the way they are supposed to, 3 Chinese men at Sochi is not impossible.

sharonz
12-11-2011, 12:51 PM
I still feel the PCS for Yan's LP is strangely low, compared to what he got at JGPs. I can accept lower TR score than Jason or Joshua's, but no way it is below 6s. The damage is done. I am fine with the result that he missed the top of the podium, but really worried about his scoring at Junior World Championship. He is the talent should be treasured by the country. If there is any Chinese single skater who will stand on the podium of world class competition, that will be Yan. Hope the Chinese federation won't ruin him.

shine
12-11-2011, 01:07 PM
I thought his PCS were quite inflated during the JGP to be honest. The set that he received at JGPF is more reflective of what's being done on the ice. Fantastic skating skills, but pretty meh programs.

Sylvia
12-21-2011, 09:40 PM
Here's another Nan SONG article: http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111220&content_id=26204436&vkey=ice_news

leapfrogonice
12-21-2011, 10:19 PM
Gosh, I often wondered WHY there seemed to be little to no follow through from the brilliant career that Chen Lu had over a decade ago. Much in the vein of how a generation of young athletes can emerge in the wake of a break through champion (Bjorn Borg in tennis, followed by a wave of next generations champions such as Edberg, Wilander, etc) I was definitely surprised that there was never an "echo" generation so to speak.

Will be interesting to see if the combination of YuNa's commanding presence and achievements, coupled with the 2018 Olympics being in South Korea, what the current crop of 11 and 12 year old girls is dreaming about for 2018 and when/whether we will see evidence of this ... 2014? 2015?

luenatic
03-08-2012, 06:05 PM
I have never seen any of them before this thread. After watching the Youtube clips from the original thread, I have high hope for Han Yan. He is the one to watch. His edge control is probably better than most of the senior men. If he keeps working on his edges, he'll give Jeremy and Patrick a run for the money.

I'm worried about He Zhang's landing technique. Jiaxing Liu needs to work on basic skills and edges.

Now the Junior season is over, I'm glad Han Yan finished on top. :)

Ziggy
03-08-2012, 08:52 PM
Now the Junior season is over, I'm glad Han Yan finished on top. :)

And now the question is:

Will he compete in Senior events next season or will the Chinese federation pick the "Sui/Han" route? :shuffle:

sequinsgalore
03-08-2012, 10:17 PM
And now the question is:

Will he compete in Senior events next season or will the Chinese federation pick the "Sui/Han" route? :shuffle:

Only pairs are allowed to compete on both JGP's and senior GP's at the same time. But he could return to Junior Worlds, as China has three spots in mens.

Ziggy
03-09-2012, 04:21 PM
Only pairs are allowed to compete on both JGP's and senior GP's at the same time. But he could return to Junior Worlds, as China has three spots in mens.

Yeah, I know. So the question is: Will he be doing SGP next season or will the federation return him to JGP, hoping he could win two events and then the final? :scream:

As for Junior Worlds, they'll most likely send him again (and again). :P

What I think is really holding Chinese skating back is the "YOU ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH" mentality. Chinese skaters have to prove themselves many times over before they get sent anywhere and then it's Hotel California. :P