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Yukari Lepisto
11-09-2011, 08:02 PM
I think they will send Nan Song to Worlds instead and try to fight for a 2nd spot. Han Yan wil likely return to Jr Worlds.



He can compete at 2012 Worlds. But there is only one spot and I am pretty sure that Nan Song will get it, while Han Yan gets one of the Junior Worlds spots, as Marco said.


This is most likely what they're going to do. But if they want to fight for a 2nd spot for 2013 worlds, it'd make more sense for them to send Han Yan though. While Nan Song did awesome at cup of china, but i just think that's just one perfect skate for him, not something he can do consistently. And the chance for him to get to top 10 at worlds is very slim.

Yukari Lepisto
11-09-2011, 08:04 PM
This is true,some Chinese ice fan said LuanBo in order to punish Sui so she didn't let her on the ice ,go home and write checks add up for 5 months.:(

Sorry, I don't understand what you're saying here. Who went home and wrote checks? and what you mean by writing checks? as in money checks? and is it two months or five months?

Ziggy
11-09-2011, 10:11 PM
Yukari - Let's see how Nan Song can do at his second GP event.

His last season was very dissapointing but the season before that he managed 2nd at JGPF and Junior Worlds.

If he remains consistent, top 10 at Worlds definitely is possible.

And yes, I also didn't get the checks part. What did you mean xy3026rosa?

xy3026rosa
11-10-2011, 12:57 AM
Sorry, I don't understand what you're saying here. Who went home and wrote checks? and what you mean by writing checks? as in money checks? and is it two months or five months?
I mean Sui wrote autocriticism at home.But this is true...A close ice fan to SH said...

Yukari Lepisto
11-10-2011, 01:13 AM
I mean Sui wrote autocriticism at home.But this is true...A close ice fan to SH said...

ohh, you meant.. self-criticism letter kinda stuff? ok, i know that's very common in China.

feraina
11-10-2011, 04:09 AM
Sorry, I don't understand what you're saying here. Who went home and wrote checks? and what you mean by writing checks? as in money checks? and is it two months or five months?

Well, what I read was two months this year, but altogether five months over the last two years. And yes, supposedly she was sent home to write self-criticism letters.

I also read that where Luan Bo is, there aren't other pairs coaches, so anyone with an interest in pairs skating gets sent to her, hence she has so many couples (11.5). And also that because pairs skating is the most popular discipline in China, kids start with pairs instead of switching from singles, so her kids tend to not have good singles skating skills when they join her group -- unlike, say, the pairs that go to Bin Yao. Among S/Z, P/T, Z/Z, all of them switched from singles, except T, who switched from ice dancing. This might possibly, partly explain the poor skating skills and solo jumps among Luan Bo's students.

But even if there aren't good singles coaches around, why can't her students at least get some help with skating skills from the local ice dance coaches? They might not be top ice dance coaches but at least they should know a little more about edge work and technique.

feraina
11-10-2011, 04:12 AM
This is most likely what they're going to do. But if they want to fight for a 2nd spot for 2013 worlds, it'd make more sense for them to send Han Yan though. While Nan Song did awesome at cup of china, but i just think that's just one perfect skate for him, not something he can do consistently. And the chance for him to get to top 10 at worlds is very slim.

In the CoC Exhibition, Nan Song landed a 4T and 3A (falling on a second 3A); and afterwards he did another 4T. His jumps are obviously very consistent right now. Han Yan (also performing in the EX), in contrast, had a lot of trouble with his (simpler) jumps in his program. I think right now maybe Nan Song is a little more consistent than Han Yan. Han Yan always makes me nervous in his competitive programs. I feel like he's always on the edge of making errors, and if he does clean program than it's a huge relief.

feraina
11-10-2011, 04:15 AM
NC?

National Championship


How could that happen? Sounds like a big mess up on the Chinese federation's part.

I don't know how much diplomatic power the skating federation has. Usually visa problems are due to delays at the foreign country's embassy/consulate. I mean, Chinese skaters have always had to deal with visa issues since the beginning. I imagine that by now the federation must have well-used procedures in place to deal with it.

feraina
11-10-2011, 04:24 AM
It would be really interesting to get reliable information about this.
Now that China is so much on the rise, do you think that there will be any travel journeys done across the trainings centers like you do for the US and Russia?

There is very little money in Chinese skating, and the skaters' families cannot afford to send their kids abroad. I read that Nobuo Sato gave some seminars in China last summer (sounded like just a few days, if that many). Maybe sending Chinese skaters to Sato for a month in the off season is more realistic than sending them to Europe/NA.

Although surprisingly, the Chinese federation sent Zijun Li, Bingwa Geng, and Kexin Zhang to LA to train with Mingzhu Li a few years ago before any of these girls had any competitive success. Maybe Mingzhu Li did it for a discount. Maybe it's also a language/culture thing. If there were good Chinese coaches working abroad in other disciplines, maybe the federation would also be willing to invest in sending young skaters abroad in those disciplines too. Lu Chen and Denis Petrov have a rink in the south of China and do coaching there. I'm a little surprised that none of the top Chinese skaters ever go to them to help. That seems like such an obvious resource. Maybe Lu Chen and the Chinese federation never got over their bitter spat.

sharonz
11-10-2011, 04:59 AM
feraina, many thanks for answering the questions about NC for me.


In the CoC Exhibition, Nan Song landed a 4T and 3A (falling on a second 3A); and afterwards he did another 4T. His jumps are obviously very consistent right now. Han Yan (also performing in the EX), in contrast, had a lot of trouble with his (simpler) jumps in his program. I think right now maybe Nan Song is a little more consistent than Han Yan. Han Yan always makes me nervous in his competitive programs. I feel like he's always on the edge of making errors, and if he does clean program than it's a huge relief.

I have to clear one thing. Yan's skate boot had a big cut just before the gala, that he had no time to fix it. He even said that he might only attemp single jumps in the show:D. So, I'm not surprised at the jump problems there. He just began to include 4T and 3A in his program from this season. The inconsistent issue is expected. Skaters like him, who have great SS and spead, seem to always have landing issues, ex. Patrick C.. Maybe it is harder to control the landing with more speed? And Yes, at this moment, Song looks more consistent with his jumps, but his SS is much worse than Yan's. I still wanna wait to see his second GP and Yan's performance at JGPF to determine who is a more reasonable choice. But I think whatever the result is, Chinese federation has already decided to send Song to WC, and Yan to JW.

rouge
11-10-2011, 05:12 AM
Elvin Wong's work for He Zhang is very good.

I didn't count him in for he's very unlikely from mainland China judging from his name. If anyone knows more details please correct me :lol:
Also I don't like He Zhang's FS this season quite much. It doesn't suit him as well as the short IMHO and arguably ripped off Han Yan's Rhapsody in Blue FS two seasons ago (a bit different music cut, some elements at different places, opening and ending are quite the same, can't remember the details of the step sequences though). I guess it's Elvin Wong who choreographed his SP, and someone else did the FS, basing on Han Yan's program. If it was true, it's frustrating because a very promising and expressive young skater like He Zhang deserves his "own" program.

Jiaxing Liu said a couple of days ago that he has started skating a new free program. I wonder why he didn't change FS before his JGP competition, but better late than never.


Maybe Lu Chen and the Chinese federation never got over their bitter spat.

Maybe also she and Mingzhu Li.

Hedwig
11-10-2011, 08:08 AM
There is very little money in Chinese skating, and the skaters' families cannot afford to send their kids abroad. [...]
sorry, I wasn't clear in my post. I was wondering if Eislauffan would do a tour through China through the different training centers in the off season and get some reports for us. :)

Ziggy
11-10-2011, 10:55 AM
Thanks to all the Chinese posters for the inside info. :respec:

We don't usually get much information about Chinese skating and it's great to be able to find out more. :)


But even if there aren't good singles coaches around, why can't her students at least get some help with skating skills from the local ice dance coaches? They might not be top ice dance coaches but at least they should know a little more about edge work and technique.

Exactly. Chinese federation really should intervene here.

What do you mean when saying Bo Luan has 11.5 pairs? She has 11 pairs and one skater looking for a partner?

sharonz
11-10-2011, 04:04 PM
What do you mean when saying Bo Luan has 11.5 pairs? She has 11 pairs and one skater looking for a partner?

Correct. She teaches 11 pairs, and also 1 boy who still has not found a partner. So, totally 11.5 pairs :P

Yukari Lepisto
11-10-2011, 08:30 PM
lol, one person 11.5 pairs... that's way crazier than marina/igor! haha