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Ziggy
10-09-2011, 04:19 AM
I can't believe that Boyang Jin wasn't selected for JGP after how well he has skated at the Asian Trophy.

He's the one to look out for, for sure.

China is going to have a lot of success in the singles in the upcoming years, definitely.

Notice how the younger generation can not only jump, but they have MUCH better basics too. I am very impressed by Han Yan's skating skills, for example.

Ice Dance is the only discipline left to be cracked. Having to skate to European rhythms/dances works against them there, though.

luCN
10-09-2011, 07:10 AM
Glad to see more chinese skaters have good performaces on the competitions,then we have more chance to see figure skating events on TV.Now,even for the COC,sometimes we only see the pair and women competition,others only on online TV.

Han Yan improve a lot through the years.his idol is Chan,and he's similar to him on skating skills,and...at the same time have the bad side——his 3A is unconsistent- -hope he can improve it in the future...Zijun Li is still too young,I can't hope much from her now.Yuna is her idol.He Zhang's spin is pretty good,his idol is Daisuka and Chan.


Notice how the younger generation can not only jump, but they have MUCH better basics too. I am very impressed by Han Yan's skating skills, for example.

Ice Dance is the only discipline left to be cracked. Having to skate to European rhythms/dances works against them there, though.
yeah,I'm glad they choose this way-training on besic skating skills first,and improve the jumps step by step.not like before,all the attention paid on quads.pay more attention to the aritisty side,and have better programs,better costume,better performance...
I always think Ice Dance need the best skating skills,so it's more difficult for a team which don't have much experience.I think they need more times than the singles to improve...

Hedwig
10-09-2011, 08:23 AM
I don't think there's a specific 'cause. YuNa happened despite a non-existent elite skating program in Korea. Considering how big China is, it's a matter of time Chinese find talents and nurture them. Figure skating is exactly the type of sport Chinese should do well anyway--it's skill-oriented and favors the less bulky

But see, that is just it - I can understand one special skater to come out of country that didn't have none (like Korea) or not many before by a mixture of circumstances like in Yu-Na's case a pushing mother etc.

But for sooo many to come out at the same time I do wonder if they somehow changed the system or if a Chinese Viktoria Volchkova suddenly started being a coach or something.

rouge
10-09-2011, 10:56 AM
But see, that is just it - I can understand one special skater to come out of country that didn't have none (like Korea) or not many before by a mixture of circumstances like in Yu-Na's case a pushing mother etc.

But for sooo many to come out at the same time I do wonder if they somehow changed the system or if a Chinese Viktoria Volchkova suddenly started being a coach or something.


But for sooo many to come out at the same time I do wonder if they somehow changed the system or if a Chinese Viktoria Volchkova suddenly started being a coach or something.

The girls are training with Mingzhu Li, Lu Chen's former coach. I've also noticed Chengjiang Li was in K&C with the chinese girls in several competitions, so I guess he's in the training group, too.

The boys are training with different coaches. Han Yan and He Zhang are from different provinces. They all love Patrick Chan's skating? That sounds great. It seems that the young skaters do understand what really matters in figure skating. The coaches of young skaters have emphasized more on choreography, too. Do someone know something about Zhang Wei? I really appreaciate his work with S/H and Han Yan.

The sport system in China hasn't changed so much. Hopefully the feds (national and local) would be patient and supportive this time.

Eris
10-09-2011, 11:02 AM
The interpretive programs ...
What does it mean?:shuffle:

Hedwig
10-09-2011, 11:10 AM
What does it mean?:shuffle:

The show program.

Interesting that they all train with different coaches (the men). Thanks for the info, rouge.
I had wondered if there had been a common denominator like either a common coach or some training camps or a system change or whatever but even better if there are several centres to "produce" such talented skaters.
If you think about it - it is the same in Russia really. Almost never having been strong in ladies they had a short golden period but then regressed again (Nina Petushkova anyone? :yikes: )and now suddenly they have about 15-20 youngsters that make you forget to swallow. And it isn't just one coach but several. Okay, there is Volchkova who has really made in impact but she isn't by far the only one.

luCN
10-09-2011, 01:49 PM
Do someone know something about Zhang Wei? I really appreaciate his work with S/H and Han Yan.

I love Wei Zhang's choreography too.He's a former ice-dancer,he didn't attend much international competitions,but won the Asian Winter Games on 1999 with Rui Wang.he always add something from ice-dance to the programs,so his choreography always feel unique from other pair or single skaters.:P

jlai
10-09-2011, 04:43 PM
But see, that is just it - I can understand one special skater to come out of country that didn't have none (like Korea) or not many before by a mixture of circumstances like in Yu-Na's case a pushing mother etc.

But for sooo many to come out at the same time I do wonder if they somehow changed the system or if a Chinese Viktoria Volchkova suddenly started being a coach or something.

Well, so far it IS one specific skater who came out of the blue--Yan Han.

The ladies program got Li Ming Zhu and Li Chengjiang and they're coming along nicely. The boys are doing nicely but other than Yan Han no one is dominating the JGP. The Chinese program is doing fairly well but it's expected given the number of years they have to get this going. But it's not as if the Chinese kids are dominating the JGP the way the Russian wondergirls are. JMHO, of course

bek
10-09-2011, 05:52 PM
Well, so far it IS one specific skater who came out of the blue--Yan Han.

The ladies program got Li Ming Zhu and Li Chengjiang and they're coming along nicely. The boys are doing nicely but other than Yan Han no one is dominating the JGP. The Chinese program is doing fairly well but it's expected given the number of years they have to get this going. But it's not as if the Chinese kids are dominating the JGP the way the Russian wondergirls are. JMHO, of course

It may take time. Honestly have to say though its hard for me to root for the Chinese to do well with the age cheating issues. For awhile in gymnastics I was like well they are good and liked them but I just can't stomach it anymore. But it just became impossible to be that way when you have to see talented kids left behind from some countries, while the Chinese get away with it. And this is in gymnastics, to see this happen in skating...

Now we all have to watch Adelina, Elizaveta, etc all wait their turns and I just don't know if I can stomach watching the Chinese flaunt the rules.

Ziggy
10-09-2011, 07:14 PM
But for sooo many to come out at the same time I do wonder if they somehow changed the system or if a Chinese Viktoria Volchkova suddenly started being a coach or something.

They have an organised system with loads of state support. I think it was just a question of time before it brought results.


I love Wei Zhang's choreography too.He's a former ice-dancer,he didn't attend much international competitions,but won the Asian Winter Games on 1999 with Rui Wang.he always add something from ice-dance to the programs,so his choreography always feel unique from other pair or single skaters.:P

Thanks, I didn't realise that!

Great to see that China got a homegrown choreographer too! :)

I really hope that Sui/Han keep working with him and aren't sent out to Zueva (already started to happen that). :scream:


Well, so far it IS one specific skater who came out of the blue--Yan Han.

The ladies program got Li Ming Zhu and Li Chengjiang and they're coming along nicely. The boys are doing nicely but other than Yan Han no one is dominating the JGP. The Chinese program is doing fairly well but it's expected given the number of years they have to get this going. But it's not as if the Chinese kids are dominating the JGP the way the Russian wondergirls are. JMHO, of course

It's not just Yan Han, there are more.

Nan Song got the silver medal at the JGPF in the previous season.

And there is Boyang Jin who is absolutely amazing for a 13-year old.

Boyang Jin - SP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzMtbotbeOk

Boyang Jin - FS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go1NVYJ7iqw&

jlai
10-09-2011, 08:37 PM
It's not just Yan Han, there are more.

Nan Song got the silver medal at the JGPF in the previous season.

And there is Boyang Jin who is absolutely amazing for a 13-year old.

Boyang Jin - SP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzMtbotbeOk

Boyang Jin - FS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go1NVYJ7iqw&

Nan Song hasn't exactly made a splash in the seniors. If Jin had done JGP and done well then things would certainly look different. :)

Seerek
11-06-2011, 07:26 PM
My guess now is Yan Han will get Junior Worlds again (even though he is senior eligible this year) and Nan Song will get Senior Worlds.

Kexin Zhang looks like a frontrunner in ladies for the 1 worlds spot, but I'm thinking they will use 4CC to determine between her at Bingwa Geng for the Worlds spot

burntBREAD
11-06-2011, 07:30 PM
My guess now is Yan Han will get Junior Worlds again (even though he is senior eligible this year) and Nan Song will get Senior Worlds.

Kexin Zhang looks like a frontrunner in ladies for the 1 worlds spot, but I'm thinking they will use 4CC to determine between her at Bingwa Geng for the Worlds spot

I like Geng, she is so much more expressive and put-together than Zhang, Zhang doesn't show any emotion, it's like serious face 24/7. However, at the same time Zhang is far, far more consistent in the jumps. :fragile:

Ziggy
11-06-2011, 07:45 PM
My guess now is Yan Han will get Junior Worlds again (even though he is senior eligible this year) and Nan Song will get Senior Worlds.

Kexin Zhang looks like a frontrunner in ladies for the 1 worlds spot, but I'm thinking they will use 4CC to determine between her at Bingwa Geng for the Worlds spot

The problem with Chinese skating is bizarre and illogical selection rules, typical for such an authoritarian bureaucracy.

Certain skaters are favoured whilst others aren't and I have no clue why.

Many times in the past, skaters who have placed and scored much lower than others at 4CC ended up being selected to Worlds.

I mean why wasn't Boyang Jin sent to JGP? :confused:

So I wouldn't count on 4CC being used, politics will probably prevail as usual. :P


I like Geng, she is so much more expressive and put-together than Zhang, Zhang doesn't show any emotion, it's like serious face 24/7. However, at the same time Zhang is far, far more consistent in the jumps. :fragile:

Geng CAN be expressive but her programs don't show it off.

I mean in her FS, she's just skating right through the music from one jump to another until the last seconds of the program (straight line steps).

All three Chinese girls that competed at CoC had abysmal programs, consisted of simply stroking from one element to another, without any style or character.

Why isn't Minzghu Li addressing that at all?

IceAlisa
11-06-2011, 07:52 PM
What an amazing kid! :eek: I will remember this name: Boyang Jin.