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shan
09-27-2011, 05:38 PM
I question the style choice in their music and choreography. To me it emphasizes the deficiencies in their presentation. It would have been nice to see them have a different style for at least one of their programs.

aftershocks
09-27-2011, 06:26 PM
Thanks for posting the link! They seem competent, but boring. I'd like to see much more excitement and energy. Sure they are working hard and not resting on their laurels as past champions with separate partners. Still, that cred is definitely an asset for them and is/has been/ will continue to be used to promote them.

I admit being more in love with Evora/ Ladwig (energy, exciting lifts, unison, dedication to each other as a team, love for the sport, work ethic). E/L at 2010 Olympics were truly inspiring.

D/C could possibly win me over if they were able to find and develop their own unique style with great music and choreo -- refine their technique and positions without falling back on the safe, classic Russian style of skating. I liked Denney's verve, confidence and flair when she first hit the scene -- yes, she's needed help with lines, maturity and technique, but why lose everything else that makes her sing as a skater? Ah well, that's figure skating ... conformity and political correctness is always the safest path, but not necessarily the groundbreaking, uplifting, magical moments trajectory.

orbitz
09-27-2011, 06:29 PM
I think Caydee and John are planning to work on "finer points of beautiful skating"

The problem is that skaters and coaches seem to think that in order to demonstrate their growth in lines and musicality they have to skate to slow, boring music like Turandot, Rhapsody in Blue, Meditations, etc. I mean those music are classisc but they're so overused and they're slow.

olympic
09-27-2011, 06:31 PM
I question the style choice in their music and choreography. To me it emphasizes the deficiencies in their presentation. It would have been nice to see them have a different style for at least one of their programs.

I somewhat agree with this and forgot to mention it. Bombastic movie and opera music is NOT good for them because it requires dramatic flair that are not necessarily part of their on-ice personalities

But, East of Eden is good music for them [as it is IMO for Rachael Flatt]. I think this type of soft yet potent music can 'carry' them through any artistic deficiencies. They don't have to emote or stretch too much to convey the music

shan
09-27-2011, 06:37 PM
But, East of Eden is good music for them [as it is IMO for Rachael Flatt]. I think this type of soft yet potent music can 'carry' them through any artistic deficiencies. They don't have to emote or stretch too much to convey the music

Okay fair enough, but I wish they had paired this SP w/ something more dynamic in the LP. (Maybe dynamic isn't the right word.)

aftershocks
09-27-2011, 06:40 PM
^^ Tend to agree with previous points made by orbitz and olympic. I might enjoy D/C more if they could find the right music and choreo that suits them and accentuates their strengths, which is not easy to do. Agree that they should have thought about varying the musical style and approach for their lp -- the sp is okay -- trying to do something similar in the lp does tend to highlight their deficiencies.

I'm thinking of a brother/ sister team who made a great splash at Nats one year with some exciting, dramatic music and choreo that worked wonders for them -- can't remember their names or title of their music, alas.

shan
09-27-2011, 06:57 PM
Are you referring to Danielle and Steve Hartsell?

They were national champions in 1999, but I couldn't find vids from nationals.

2001
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tku6ASZNutY SP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQoRFzqG3ek&feature=related LP

olympic
09-27-2011, 06:58 PM
Okay fair enough, but I wish they had paired this SP w/ something more dynamic in the LP. (Maybe dynamic isn't the right word.)

Very true

skatemommy
09-27-2011, 07:11 PM
^^ I'm thinking of a brother/ sister team who made a great splash at Nats one year with some exciting, dramatic music and choreo that worked wonders for them -- can't remember their names or title of their music, alas.

Ginger and Archie Tse? That's going back a few years.

aftershocks
09-27-2011, 07:11 PM
Ah, yes, thanks shan! It is the Hartsells I was thinking of -- Thanks for posting those vids. Perfect examples of finding the right music and choreo to accentuate your strengths. Skating, scoring, choreo, competition challenges maybe weren't quite as difficult then, but still the Hartsells in their dream season is a perfect example of improving by accentuating your strengths as a pair.

shan
09-27-2011, 07:35 PM
Not to make the thread drift, but while the Hartsells were never my favorite pair, they had speed and attack that some teams are lacking.

robinhood
09-27-2011, 09:04 PM
I question the style choice in their music and choreography. To me it emphasizes the deficiencies in their presentation. It would have been nice to see them have a different style for at least one of their programs.

;);)

I can't understand why would John ditch Caitlin for Denney if they're going to continue in the same lyrical snot style:D he had with Yankowkas:confused:

I mean, the comparisons are horrible but inevitable and with this new pair I'd have expect there was at least a void potential, if not going through a different route than the classical/lyrical stereotypical pairs stuff. There are too many international pairs much better than them in this department, imo:dog:

Rob
09-27-2011, 09:23 PM
Yes, I thought they'd do a movie score or something bombastic and fast. I thought the whole point was to be an athletic pair, not lyrical classical wannabes when they are not. Hmm.

UMBS Go Blue
09-27-2011, 09:32 PM
They need a real choreographer in Colorado Springs. EYS! Is Tom Dickson still there, gone into early retirement, or simply been hit-and-miss lately with his programs? He did some great work with Savoie, Abbott, and others. :watch:

shan
09-27-2011, 09:36 PM
EYS! Is Tom Dickson still there, gone into early retirement, or simply been hit-and-miss lately with his programs? He did some great work with Savoie, Abbott, and others. :watch:

:swoon: Tom Dickson. I loved the FDs he choreographed for Summersett/Gilles. Has he ever choreographed for pairs?