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Rob
09-26-2011, 11:06 PM
Inspired by the gymnastics thread, who made you sad when she didn't get to go to the Olympics?

If you pick other, let us know the name!

(It is possible that someone like Ivana or Shayla could make a comeback, but not likely for 2012 anyway).

Choupette
09-26-2011, 11:12 PM
Inspired by the gymnastics thread, who made you sad when she didn't get to go to the Olympics?
Vanessa Atler, because she had basically been the leader for the whole quad, injured herself at an unfortunate time and then had problems healing. IMO she should still have made the 2000 Olympic team especially if, as she says, she'd been told she wouldn't make it before the trials were over (how are you supposed to perform well under those circumstances?).

However, she was not my favorite gymnast... it's just the one I was the most sad for.

Cloudy_Gumdrops
09-26-2011, 11:18 PM
Vanessa Atler, she's my fave American gymnast and it broke my heart to see her become a complete and utter headcase.

Rob
09-26-2011, 11:23 PM
I think I was most sad for Vanessa and Kristi Phillips because they were both so hyped as the "next Mary Lou" in their quads and didn't even make the team. Hollie was a WC, but Carly was the star of that quad.

But I also was very sad for all the 1980 Olympians.

Allen
09-26-2011, 11:27 PM
Vanessa Atler falling apart at the 2000 Olympic trials was just absolutely heart wrenching to me. It really bothered me that she wasn't even made an alternate.

BigB08822
09-27-2011, 12:18 AM
Vanessa Atler falling apart at the 2000 Olympic trials was just absolutely heart wrenching to me. It really bothered me that she wasn't even made an alternate.

Vanessa Atler made it clear the she wouldn't be an alternate. She said she was either on the team or nothing at all. I think that probably sealed her fate and Bela didn't appreciate her attitude. Had she been open to being an alternate perhaps she would have been named and with the way things worked out, she probably would have ended up on the team.

Beefcake
09-27-2011, 12:59 AM
Ah, crap, for shame Rob, I underestimated you and went right to to the bottom and clicked "other" for Marcia Frederick, who may have been a huge star in Moscow 80 if not for Carter's boycott. You've got her there of course. So it should read +1 for Frederick ...

... but heck maybe "other" is correct enough since another few young American ladies shoulda woulda had an Olympic experience in '80 if not for said boycott. (IIRC, Kathy Johnson and Julianne McNamara were the '84 girls who was also on the '80 team.)

BigB08822
09-27-2011, 01:23 AM
I think the old Florida coach was also supposed to be on the 80 team...or was she just an alternate for another Olympics? Now I can't remember. Faehn? What about Jamie Dantszers coach? I remember them mentioning how she would finally get her Olympics when Jamie made the team. Was she supposed to be on the team in 80 or did they just mean she missed out when she was a gymnast?

Fridge_Break
09-27-2011, 02:33 AM
I think the old Florida coach was also supposed to be on the 80 team...or was she just an alternate for another Olympics? Now I can't remember. Faehn? What about Jamie Dantszers coach? I remember them mentioning how she would finally get her Olympics when Jamie made the team. Was she supposed to be on the team in 80 or did they just mean she missed out when she was a gymnast?

Beth (Jamie's coach) made the team in 1980, but obviously didn't compete because of the boycott. Rhonda Faehn (current head coach at University of Florida) was the alternate on the 1988 team.

I think Vanessa Atler would have 100% been on the 2000 team if 'specialists' had been in existence and she could have been a 3-event gymnast. The black cloud of the uneven bars just hung over her head no matter what event she was on.

judgejudy27
09-27-2011, 04:37 AM
I think Atler became frusterated that after Nationals (before the Trials) it seemed clear she wasnt going to be one of the U.S "stars" in Sydney, but more of a supporting player. She was probably going to be made to sit out bars, making her ineligible for the All Around. She wasnt going to be an anchor on any events, other than maybe vault. That probably affected her already negative attitude going into Trials, and led to what happened there. In 1998 she probably envisioned herself winning the AA in Sydney.

Rob
09-27-2011, 05:46 AM
In addition to Frederick and Rybacki, there was someone named Lucie or Lucy who wasn't around in 1984. Maybe another?
and men of course but I am not enuf of a MAG historian to do a poll.

Aw so far, no one is sad for Jana Bieger.

Wasn't Rhonda Faehn the 1988 alternate who stayed on the podium while someone competed and incurred a penalty? Didn't it cost the US the bronze in the end?

Allen
09-27-2011, 05:55 AM
In addition to Frederick and Rybacki, there was someone named Lucie or Lucy who wasn't around in 1984. Maybe another?
and men of course but I am not enuf of a MAG historian to do a poll.

Wasn't Rhonda Faehn the 1988 alternate who stayed on the podium while someone competed and incurred a penalty? Didn't it cost the US the bronze in the end?

Lucy Wener?

Yeah, Rhonda was the one who stayed on the podium and yes, it cost the US the bronze.

Beefcake
09-27-2011, 06:06 AM
Yeah, Rhonda was the one who stayed on the podium and yes, it cost the US the bronze.
Still infuriating after all these years. Insane, filthy, evil manipulation of a catacombs rule by East Germans FOR East Germany ... and the opposite of what the Olympic spirit stands for.

Oh well, at least that revolting episode helped to seal the deal on a horrendous Olympics for USAG, and thus provide a clear rock bottom for USA gymnastics ... easier to historical reference and argument's sake

judgejudy27
09-27-2011, 06:50 AM
Looking back on videos of those Seoul Olympics you feel so sorry for the U.S girls. They were an unheralded team with promising gymnasts who never made it to 92 (Mills, Johnson) or unlikely late career success stories (Spivey, Garrison Steeves) and they performed their heart out and virtually all did the best performances they could have. The East Germans had many falls that night, and were short handed with injury. None of those U.S girls other than Phoebe Mills who tied for bronze on beam later ever got an Olympic medal, and for gymnasts like Brandy Johnson and Garrison Steeves especialy it would have been nice to see. The team really earned it that night too but still had it taken away.

Aside from the wrongful deduction many of the East Germans appeared overscored even by 88 standards, especialy their big names Kersten and Thuemler. Kersten was overscored all Games, she even got a 10 in the bar finals with a hop on the landing and numerous form breaks. Thank goodness one of her preliminary scores kept her from tieing Silivas for gold. She also got a 9.925 in the all around finals for one of the worst yurchenko fulls I have ever seen.

somechick
09-27-2011, 02:08 PM
Hillary Grivich...