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BigB08822
09-26-2011, 03:08 AM
Also, imagine the weight of the boots. Take those off and off ice jumping should be easy for someone who can do it on the ice. As I said, I did triple axels off ice and was self taught. It is certainly possible. I just think a lot of people don't train off ice jumps.

smarts1
09-26-2011, 03:31 AM
^ Do you guys have any videos? I really want to see them!

aliceanne
09-26-2011, 10:21 PM
Doing jumps off ice can improve your fitness, but it doesn't help your timing. You don't have an entrance edge before the takeoff when you do it on the ground.

essence_of_soy
09-27-2011, 12:41 AM
During the qualifying rounds at the 1996 World Junior Championships in Brisbane, the Russian and German singles skaters prior to skating warmed up by the ice doing doubles and triples in their sneakers. It was amazing to see!

essence_of_soy
09-27-2011, 12:44 AM
I used to jump off ice all the time. I learned on the trampoline and moved to the ground. I had videos a long time ago and some people here probably saw them at some point. I could do up to a cheated 4toe on the ground and sometimes, when I put in a lot of practice, I had a solid 3axel. I jumped all the triples but the take offs were just ugly, you can't really toe pick without a toe pick, haha, so I usually took off flat footed and often from two feet. It was fun but the axel was always hard for me as I tended to whip around like Lipinski.


I remember when you posted these.

I'm sorry I never got around to capturing a lot of my own on tape, either.

On the floor, I got to the point where I could do a 3flip/3toe/3toe/3toe. My triple axel was a bit scary b/c of the forward take off, but I could tack a 3toe onto the end of it. The centrifugal force of trying the 4sal however, forced my eyes shut, so I had to feel for the landing most times.

Thanks for the memory.

walei
09-27-2011, 02:25 AM
I remember Emanuel Sandhu had triple axels for his audition on SYTYCD Canada. Mary Murphy even had to ask him what the move is called.

It amazes me how people don't twist their ankles every time when doing off ice jumps.

aliceanne
09-27-2011, 02:50 PM
During the qualifying rounds at the 1996 World Junior Championships in Brisbane, the Russian and German singles skaters prior to skating warmed up by the ice doing doubles and triples in their sneakers. It was amazing to see!

That's a pretty common way to warm up for axels, doubles, and triples nowadays. Most coaches warm up their advanced students in the lobby before they take to the ice for a lesson.

It seems unbelieveable now but I remember reading in several skater memoirs that the North American skaters in the 70's never did that, even at competitions like Worlds. Apparently the East Germans started doing it and the other skaters were amazed when they took to the ice for their warm-up and could do triple jumps right away.

BigB08822
09-27-2011, 11:58 PM
^ Do you guys have any videos? I really want to see them!

I don't have any of my old videos any more. I had some on video but threw them all out with my old skating tapes. I meant to save them but I had not labeled them and the idea of sitting through tons of unlabeled skating tapes to find just one was not very fun. I now wish I had kept some but it isn't as if I could show any of my real life friends. You guys would be the only ones to appreciate and/or understand. :lol:

essence_of_soy
09-28-2011, 12:33 AM
I don't have any of my old videos any more. I had some on video but threw them all out with my old skating tapes. I meant to save them but I had not labeled them and the idea of sitting through tons of unlabeled skating tapes to find just one was not very fun. I now wish I had kept some but it isn't as if I could show any of my real life friends. You guys would be the only ones to appreciate and/or understand. :lol:

I may have a couple of your real player files on my old computer somewhere.

I remember being impressed with how you could tack double loops onto the end of your triples. I had so much trouble doing loops as the second jump in combination, it was easier for me to do a double or triple loop first.

essence_of_soy
09-28-2011, 12:43 AM
This guy was great.

The jumps were a little under-rotated, but pretty impressive nevertheless.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5w0uO-Ruh8

~tapdancer~
09-28-2011, 03:19 AM
Don't see a whole lot of triple tours in ballet by male dancers-mostly doubles, but they do point their feet, hold their bodies/shoulders erect, and have arms in the correct various positions. Seriously, either athlete is fabulous in my book. I know Emanuel was a ballet dancer-you can tell. Wonder how much ballet Kulik had? I always assumed the Russian skaters had tons of ballet, but how true is this? The pairs skaters look like they have more ballet to me, but what do I know?
Ever see the movie "Center Stage"? I think Ilia had plenty of ballet training. :)

misskarne
09-29-2011, 03:20 PM
Ah, Ilia's gorgeous over-rotated 3A on the floor!

I read somewhere that he'd landed a 4A on the floor, but never tried it on the ice. Apparently it's a huge technique in Russia to be able to land all your jumps on the floor. I think it takes the place of the harness.

I see the more advanced girls at my rink doing off-ice jumps all the time. My coach wants me to start doing off-ice jumps too.

There's video floating around somewhere of Plushenko playing soccer for some celebrity team...he scores a goal and celebrates with an over-rotated 2A (on the grass, in soccer boots! :eek:) and a couple of very pretty butterflies.

misskarne
09-29-2011, 03:24 PM
Ever see the movie "Center Stage"? I think Ilia had plenty of ballet training. :)

At least enough to pass for a professional at the barre. Upper body shot only, of course. :D


....it always bugged me that Sergei got shunted to San Fransisco. And that he wasn't given a bigger part in the movie, really. I liked Sergei, he was my favourite character. (Disclaimer: I liked Sergei before I started following figure skating!)

smarts1
09-29-2011, 08:00 PM
Ah, Ilia's gorgeous over-rotated 3A on the floor!

I read somewhere that he'd landed a 4A on the floor, but never tried it on the ice. Apparently it's a huge technique in Russia to be able to land all your jumps on the floor. I think it takes the place of the harness.

I see the more advanced girls at my rink doing off-ice jumps all the time. My coach wants me to start doing off-ice jumps too.

There's video floating around somewhere of Plushenko playing soccer for some celebrity team...he scores a goal and celebrates with an over-rotated 2A (on the grass, in soccer boots! :eek:) and a couple of very pretty butterflies.

Can you find the video?

CantALoop
09-29-2011, 11:04 PM
Doing jumps off ice can improve your fitness, but it doesn't help your timing. You don't have an entrance edge before the takeoff when you do it on the ground.

This. It may help with timing and getting a feel for rotation, but it does nothing for edges or flow out of the jump.