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gkelly
09-19-2011, 06:13 PM
I confess that I haven't gone back to watch many tapes in the past few years. Occasionally, but not nearly as much as I used to.

If I just want to check something for my own edification while I'm online or to discuss on FSU etc., youtube is often handier because I can share a link.

I have gone back to watch some old competitions from the 6.0 era and try to figure out how they might have been judged under IJS, just for curiosity. If it's just for my own pleasure, I'd rather use a large screen and be able to proceed from one program directly to the next without having to search for individual programs.

I have a bunch of more obscure tapes I traded for in the 1990s that were meaningful to me when I was learning about skating history and what to look for to understand the judging, or just for performances I enjoyed watching. Some of the programs or competitions that are touchstones in my mind are not known to the online fan community in general. Maybe someday I'll figure out how to share some of them online.

Or I'll meet some more local fans who want to get together in person to catch up on skating history.

merrywidow
09-19-2011, 06:28 PM
I've been rewatching my old US National tapes from '04 on VHS this summer. The recordings are clear & am enjoying them immensely. My video tapes date back to early '90's & next summer I'll go back & watch those. You tube is ok but not like watching on a TV screen. Just as watching on TV isn't as great as being at an event in person.

Louise
09-19-2011, 06:49 PM
I got rid of 30 years of VHS tapes last year, basically everything skating that was on tv. And there were typed up listings on index cards on all of them so I knew what was what and where. A perfect chronologic collection. It was over 200 tapes. I didn't want them cluttering my house, and putting them in the garage would only destroy them anyway. It was an odd feeling, a definite loss of a part of my life. I used to watch tapes all the time, but over the last five to ten years I found that Youtube usually covers my needs. Plus the whole COP has kind of soured me to the enjoyment of watching programs more than once or twice anyway. Even now on Youtube I tend to fastforward through the insufferable footwork sequences.

I thought about putting them up for grabs here, but the shipping would have been a big deal, and frankly I just wanted to put that all behind me. Thanks to 3xal on YT I've been able to look something up and he usually has it.

vesperholly
09-19-2011, 07:06 PM
I've been taping skating since the late 90s, but I stopped around 2004/5 when everything started turning up online, which coincided with when I started to lose the rabid interest in every single elite competition. Now I will watch Nationals, Worlds and the Olympics, but anything else meh. When I was in college, I used to rewatch tapes all the time. My mom also used to send me tapes from CTV/CBC of Canadian broadcasts, because they tended to include more skaters. I had a ton of duplicates.

Since I never seemed to have time to do anything with the tapes, I just threw out most of them. I kept ones that are particular favorites, like the 97 Worlds ladies FS and 2002 GPF (pre-SLC). I also kept all of the Olympics tapes, which I have going back to 94. There was also a decent collection of gymnastics, but all I kept were Olympics. Those 96 tapes were watched over and over!


I've begun to toss out some of the tapes that I watched that way (goodbye Goodwill Games of 2001).
:lol: When I was deciding which tapes to throw away, I remember picking up that one in particular and thinking, "God, what a terrible competition! Why do I still have this?!"

skatesindreams
09-19-2011, 07:09 PM
If anyone has material, pre 1990; that you want to "dispose of", please let me know.
I'd like to know what people have; and might want to negotiate for it.

Fergus
09-19-2011, 07:31 PM
I always watch my skating tapes when I'm home sick! ;)

Chicken soup + Dayquil + 1996 Worlds = Fergus feeling much better! :D

However, I was also notorious for throwing in any old tape when I needed one in pinch. So I've got some that start off with a "Will & Grace" episode or the 1999 Tony Awards......and then when that's over *voila!*, it's the 1997 Trophee Lalique competition, midway thru!

I gotta judiciously edit my collection and transfer the good stuff to DVD, sigh.....

Debbie S
09-19-2011, 07:41 PM
I converted my VHS tapes to DVD 2 years ago using a DVD/VCR combo recorder/player. It was pretty simple. The only problem was that some of the tapes were a bit warped/damaged and the quality of the recording wasn't great - lots of tracking lines that I.could.not.get.rid.of. And what would happen when the playback started getting messy was that the recorder would sense that and the transfer would stop. So I would usually have to sit there to stop the tape and hit record on the DVD side again - took a long time. I think the whole process took 6 months, and I had tapes of Nats, Worlds, and Olys from 1995, plus a few extras, like the '94 World Pros that I refused to tape over b/c it had G/G on it. Same with the Grinkov memorial tribute in early '96 and the '94 Olys ex. I also found a pro comp from '97 that I kept b/c it had Brian Orser and Underhill/Martini.

Once the transfer was done, I threw out the tapes. DVDs take up much less space and they are easier to rewatch b/c you can FF through quicker and get to the performance you want. I will admit, though, that I don't watch them much, but they don't take up much space, so I'm glad I have them.

floskate
09-19-2011, 08:12 PM
I watch my old stuff that has already been converted to DVD pretty often. A lot of what I have is not on youtube. They're like my reference library. I have soooo many post 1990 VHS tapes that are all packed away in trunks and need converting but I just can't seem to get around to it. :shuffle:

I'm also very intrigued as to what gkelly has in their collection that I may not :lol:

skatesindreams
09-19-2011, 08:29 PM
I'm also very intrigued as to what gkelly has in their collection that I may not :lol:

You aren't the only one!

gkelly
09-19-2011, 08:32 PM
I'm also very intrigued as to what gkelly has in their collection that I may not :lol:

Probably not much -- you do have a lot.

halffull
09-19-2011, 08:59 PM
mine are still on vhs so need to convert to dvd in order to watch them ... so at this point the answer is ... never

manhn
09-19-2011, 09:47 PM
Re watching dvds and tapes with other skating fans, I have done it a few times and it is a lot fun. And with dvd, you can edit the chapters in such a way that you can go to your desired skater asap.

Youtube is great but it is limited. As a completist, I want the commentary, interviews and fluff pieces. The whole is more than the sum of its parts and all that...

skatesindreams
09-19-2011, 10:02 PM
^^^
I agree!

Japanfan
09-20-2011, 12:08 AM
Youtube is great but it is limited. As a completist, I want the commentary, interviews and fluff pieces. The whole is more than the sum of its parts and all that...

I'm a 'completist' too. And one of things I like about DVD is that it has forced me to be more complete because putting together a compiliation creates lots of glitches. So, I include more of a competition on my DVDs than I did when I was using tapes. Some of my old tapes only have select skates, whereas I rarely stop and start with different skates/portions of a competition more than three times on DVD. Usually it's two, sometimes just one two hour segment. I prefer recording on standard instead of long because the quality decreases with long - but even the DVDs are starting to pile up, so I may need to be more selective in future.

Cherub721
09-20-2011, 12:46 AM
I still remember when I first got into taping skating... right after SLC. I taped over the Olympics and Worlds (d'oh!) but then I got and saved a ESPN re-broadcast of 2002 Euros Pairs LP/FD, 4CC FD and Ladies LP, and a PBS Evening with Champions.... I watched them all about a million times.

Then once I was going through non-skating tapes and found a tape of the 1994 Ladies Oly LP that I had taped when I was 11 and forgot all about... that was fun.

Nowadays though I really don't ever rewatch anything. After Vancouver I did watch my DVDs of Torino to ease some of the pain but I actually enjoyed watching "Olympic Ice" more than the skating. :lol:

I have a DVR so archiving is pretty easy. I actually enjoy editing the broadcasts, making chapters, and then choosing the skater who gets to be the "thumbnail" pic. I find it relaxing and mindless. I save all of Olympics, Worlds, and Euros. For Nationals, GPs, 4CC, and galas, I only save the skaters I like and delete the rest. I usually will rewatch it a couple of times from my hard drive before I transfer to DVD but rarely watch them once they're on the DVD. I do feel like the DVR and youtube have ruined the sense of re-watching a whole competition and letting a story unfold. I have everything chaptered to the start of each skater's opening pose, and it's just too easy to hit "next" for every boring skater and then to skip the replay/K&C for the ones I do like.

It's really habit at this point. I saved almost all of the seasons of SYTYCD also. Rarely watch them, yet it burns me that I don't have season 1 :mad: (I downloaded it, but it's not the same quality).



The stuff I am most interested in seeing again is left on the external hard drive, which I can attach to a media player that is in turn connected to my big screen TV so I can watch over again in their full glory.

Ohh, what's this? You can use a regular external hard drive with just a bunch of avi or mpgs in a folder? How do you select which ones to play? This would be convenient for watching downloaded programs (right now I either burn a DVD-RW and erase, or connect my laptop to the TV).


The other programs that I keep only on the back up DVD can easily be reloaded to the hard drive and viewed through the media player at any time if I wish as well.

I'm confused. Wouldn't it be easier to just watch the DVD through a DVD player connected to the TV? Or do you mean data DVDs?



My problem is that even after I convert them I think that I might still go back to them to re-capture digitally as that technology improves.

That's my #1 concern (read: excuse :D) for not converting any tapes yet. Eventually I might just go ahead and convert old GP events and crap like that, saving only the skaters I like, and toss the tapes. But for the really good stuff I'd rather hold on to the tapes too. My DVR has a hard drive but does not record in high-def (I don't believe any on the market do) so I feel like I should keep them just in case that technology becomes available (the tapes are low-def, but I figure recording in better quality couldn't hurt?). Especially all of the skater compilation tapes of my faves that were so painstakingly put together by people... a shame to get rid of those. I should really do it though while I still have two working VCRs.