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skateboy
09-18-2011, 09:15 AM
Just another crazy thread! Has anyone noticed that the year after the Olympics, the singles skaters who win worlds rarely go on to be Olympic champion? Is it a curse?? :eek: (Dance has the best track record; Pairs is about 50%-50%.)

Here are the winners, from 1965 - present (those who went on to win in italics):

MENS
1965: Alain Calmat
1969: Tim Wood
1973: Ondrej Nepela
1977: Vladimir Kovalev
1981: Scott Hamilton
1985: Alexander Fadeev
1989: Kurt Browning
1993: Kurt Browning
1995: Elvis Stojko
1999: Alexei Yagudin
2003: Evgeni Plushenko
2007: Brian Joubert
2011: Patrick Chan (???)

LADIES
1965: Petra Burka
1969: Gabriele Seyfert
1973: Karen Magnussen
1977: Linda Fratianne
1981: Denise Bielmann
1985: Katarina Witt
1989: Midori Ito
1993: Oksana Baiul
1995: Lu Chen
1999: Maria Butyrskaya
2003: Michelle Kwan
2007: Miki Ando
2011: Miki Ando (???)

floskate
09-18-2011, 09:19 AM
Odd one out - Ondrej Nepela was already Olympic champion in 1972. He wanted to retire after that but his federation made him stay in one more year to win a final world title in his hometown, Bratislava.

skateboy
09-18-2011, 10:08 AM
Odd one out - Ondrej Nepela was already Olympic champion in 1972. He wanted to retire after that but his federation made him stay in one more year to win a final world title in his hometown, Bratislava.

Yep, that's right. But still fits into the equation. ;)

Jaana
09-18-2011, 10:54 AM
I think that a very impressive statistic is also that every reigning US World champion in menīs discipline has won the Olympic gold medal.

briancoogaert
09-18-2011, 02:46 PM
Odd one out - Ondrej Nepela was already Olympic champion in 1972. He wanted to retire after that but his federation made him stay in one more year to win a final world title in his hometown, Bratislava.
And almost the same for Alain Calmat. He was so disappointed after his silver at 1964 Olympics, he decided to stay one more year to win a World title, but he knew he would never skate at 1968 Olympics (although in France !). ;)

Seerek
09-18-2011, 03:46 PM
Also of note was the placement the eventual Olympic champion from the World championship 3 years prior

2007: Lysacek (5th), Kim (3rd)
2003: Plushenko (1st), Arakawa (8th)
1999: Yagudin (1st), Hughes (7th)
1995: Kulik (7th), Lipinski (Did not compete)
1989: Petrenko (6th), Yamaguchi (6th)
1985: Boitano (3rd), Witt (1st)

Vagabond
09-18-2011, 05:24 PM
The earliest skaters on skateboy's list skated in the true amateur era and often had very little reason to keep competing all the way up to the following Olympics.

As Dick Button recounts during his comments on Calmat's free skate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQpK2fLLGpI), Calmat was the oldest competitor in Colorado Springs, had earned silver medals at several competitions he could have won, was preparing to go to medical school, and was the son of a couple who owned a dry-cleaning store in Paris. (Calmat's father stayed in Paris to operate the store, while his mother did get to come to the U.S. to watch the competition.)

Even for younger champions, such as Tim Wood and Denise Biellman, the financial pressures were considerable, and turning professional seemed the best way to go.

Vash01
09-18-2011, 07:41 PM
I don't think it's a curse, but it shows the length of time (3 years) between the year after the Olympics and the next Olympics. In figure skating, 3 years can make a lot of difference for a skater. Those who won the year after the Olympics, can be on the downswing by the next Olympics, unless they were very young when they won the worlds.

Jammers
09-18-2011, 08:43 PM
Exactly. Someone like Miki Ando who's been a also-ran at the last two Winter Olympics most likely will have a hard time even making the team by the time of Sochi. Usually it takes a couple years for the new crop of skaters to make there mark following the Olympics. 2007 was unusual in that you had two great young skaters ready to become World Champion the year after the Olympics in Kim and Asada even though Ando shocked everyone and took home the title.

briancoogaert
09-19-2011, 05:37 PM
Exactly. Someone like Miki Ando who's been a also-ran at the last two Winter Olympics most likely will have a hard time even making the team by the time of Sochi. Usually it takes a couple years for the new crop of skaters to make there mark following the Olympics. 2007 was unusual in that you had two great young skaters ready to become World Champion the year after the Olympics in Kim and Asada even though Ando shocked everyone and took home the title.
You will un-jinx her ! Thanks to your post, Miki will be the next Olympic champion :scream: :P

query5
09-19-2011, 06:00 PM
if this isn't a bunch of hooey.

The person who wins the Olympics is the one the federations want and politics.

not necessarily the best skater.

all this is to make michelle look bad because sarah, tara, has a hard time getting things in my opinion. You fans have to make the Olympic champ look good especially if their is controversy.

lets see. 1994-oksana bauil, 1994 the dance team
1998 tara lipinski, ilia kulik
2002 sarah hughes, the pair team
2010 evan lysacek
the recent ones

in old days the the papers put out winner, if people had a problem they had to write to papers and if the papers chose to print the controvery they didn.
now a days --go on you-tube, facebook, figure skating forums.

keep this up the sport in U.s. won't last -it is barely hanging in there, I am not talking about Learn the basic. I am talking about later on.

Vash01
09-19-2011, 06:16 PM
if this isn't a bunch of hooey.

The person who wins the Olympics is the one the federations want and politics.

not necessarily the best skater.

all this is to make michelle look bad because sarah, tara, has a hard time getting things in my opinion. You fans have to make the Olympic champ look good especially if their is controversy.

lets see. 1994-oksana bauil, 1994 the dance team
1998 tara lipinski, ilia kulik
2002 sarah hughes, the pair team
2010 evan lysacek the recent ones

in old days the the papers put out winner, if people had a problem they had to write to papers and if the papers chose to print the controvery they didn.
now a days --go on you-tube, facebook, figure skating forums.

keep this up the sport in U.s. won't last -it is barely hanging in there, I am not talking about Learn the basic. I am talking about later on.

I don't get your point at all. How would a fan make an Olympic champion look good if there is a controversy?

BTW the 1994 ice dance team was Grishchuk & Platov.
The 2002 pairs team was Berezhnaya-Sikharulidze.

Both were highly talented teams, with track records of success (well deserved). It might have been good for you to at least find out their names.

How was Ilia Kulik's win controversial? I did not hear one word about why someone else should have won the OGM.

Figure skating forums are for fans to share their opinions and information. They don't make any official decisions about the sport, and they are too small in numbers to influence anyone in power.