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my little pony
09-08-2011, 02:47 PM
although it may happen, i would assume that most big name celebs get dedicated service and a lot of ass kissing. when i was a bartender, we fell all over ourselves for local weathermen. i imagine we would have done much more for bigger stars.

once eddie murphy came into where i worked. 1 waitress did nothing but that table all night and the bill was huge. not only did he not tip but he didnt think he should have to pay. we were all also instructed not to look him directly in the eye by one of his underlings. although he probably wouldnt have known as he was wearing sunglasses inside the dark bar. the police had to be called to get him to pay.

VIETgrlTerifa
09-08-2011, 03:11 PM
So I finally watched the video, which is difficult to find since youtube is taking them down:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h56TwOSzvwQ&feature=related

I have to say that there is a lot of overreaction, but it's not from Madonna.

cruisin
09-08-2011, 03:16 PM
I know that not tipping is considered almost as big a social faux pas as weeing on someone in the US, but maybe some of the celebs didn't tip well because they thought the service was shite. Or are you still supposed to tip if you feel the service isn't up to par?

If the service was really horrible, I would probably not tip. But, as my little pony said, most stars get treated like royalty. So I doubt their service is bad. Also, most of them say they never tip or tip too little, so I don't think it has anything to do with service, it's about ego.

Bev Johnston
09-08-2011, 03:33 PM
I know that not tipping is considered almost as big a social faux pas as weeing on someone in the US, but maybe some of the celebs didn't tip well because they thought the service was shite. Or are you still supposed to tip if you feel the service isn't up to par?

I'm no celebrity, but I do still tip even if the service is shite because a lot of times it's not the wait staff's fault. They are just the face that the public sees and we have no idea what's going on in the kitchen.

(By "we" I mean public, not waitstaff....)

danceronice
09-08-2011, 03:49 PM
Rachel Ray – Tipped $1 on a $10 tab. Probably didn’t want to go under her $40 a day allowance.

That's 10%, which is low but acceptable on such a cheap tab. That "bad tipper" complaint seems rather petty. And maybe it was crap service. Bad food isn't the server's fault, but cold food is (they are responsible for pickup), slow service without apologizing is (you can't help if it's crowded, but you CAN acknowledge the situation), screwing up order INPUT is (that one can go either way), and good food has nothing to do with them (an excellently-prepared meal is all back of house, who usually don't get anything as far as tips go. They're paid "more", but except in very high end places "more" means $9-12/hour before taxes. Maybe benefits if they're really lucky or work for a franchise, which usually requires it.)

And yes, the waitstaff knows what's going on in the kitchen. They're part of the system and if they screw up THEIR timing (calling to fire an entree too early or too late, for example) the kitchen is hosed. Fortunately in a culinary school restaurant customers can be more forgiving as the 'staff' is mostly learning but it can still be bad--I was on desserts and had ONE item, which the waitstaff (other students) knew about that needed a 20 minute lead time (it had to be made to order)--I needed to know to fire that well in advance, not after they'd cleared the entree, unless the patron UNDERSTOOD there would not be a 20-30 mintue wait. Second week, guess what happened? So the waitstaff in many places can indeed directly affect what's going on in the kitchen. They forget to put your order in or call for it at the wrong time, the BoH, not being mind-readers, are stuck and so are you.

On the non-Americans, while the first time they might have an excuse (tipping is NOT normal in ost other countries) one would think they'd learn fast.

cruisin
09-08-2011, 04:00 PM
On the non-Americans, while the first time they might have an excuse (tipping is NOT normal in ost other countries) one would think they'd learn fast.

True, but I tip in other countries anyway. Most waiters do expect Americans to tip, though they think it's amusing. Usually just a euro on something small, and a few on something larger, don't give a %, as I would in the US. Many people, who travel to Italy, think the coperto is a tip. It's not, it's a cover charge for sitting at a table, rather than a counter. It can change a 3 euro cappucino to 5 euro (per person). For some reason, it's harder to wash a cup when it's brought to a table, than when it's used at a counter :lol:.

allezfred
09-08-2011, 04:45 PM
True, but I tip in other countries anyway. Most waiters do expect Americans to tip, though they think it's amusing. Usually just a euro on something small, and a few on something larger, don't give a %, as I would in the US. Many people, who travel to Italy, think the coperto is a tip. It's not, it's a cover charge for sitting at a table, rather than a counter. It can change a 3 euro cappucino to 5 euro (per person). For some reason, it's harder to wash a cup when it's brought to a table, than when it's used at a counter :lol:.

I don't think that's the logic behind it.:P Someone who drinks their cappucino at the counter isn't going to be taking up a table and lingering for hours over their cup. It's economics innit.

Fergus
09-08-2011, 04:48 PM
So I finally watched the video, which is difficult to find since youtube is taking them down:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h56TwOSzvwQ&feature=related

IMHO, the most offensive thing is that continually god-awful Princess Michael of Kent-esque faux accent. :yikes:

Luv ya, Madge! "Ray of Light" is still one of the greatest albums ever! :cheer2:

Beefcake
09-08-2011, 04:54 PM
$1 on a $10 bill is acceptable? Ouch. If I pick up a couple of overpriced drinks from the bar, then - yes - $1 is fine. But, for a meal I never leave less than $2 (many times $3), especially for a lunch waitress, who doesn't have the luxury of alcohol adding to already larger checks (nor the increased generosity of patrons from said alcohol). Also, my $2-$3 helps make up for the $1 cheapskates.

Beefcake
09-08-2011, 04:57 PM
I fun on Madonna, but I don't find that interchange offensive. Humorous, yes, as :rofl: her "I'm the Queen of England" accent on the word "absolutely" is priceless. Offensive, nah.

Spartacus
09-08-2011, 05:15 PM
Madonna is two botox injections away from looking exactly like Jocelyn Wildenstein.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cIx0xpjXZ68/S_9NQZn_DFI/AAAAAAAAEdU/m78xtv6KysY/s1600/jocelyn_wildenstein.jpg

Andora
09-08-2011, 05:22 PM
The Lady Gaga/Madonna comparison regarding their fans doesn't sit right. Was Madonna always a bitch to her fans, even at the beginning? Because Lady Gaga isn't exactly an established artist of 25-some years yet. Not that established musicians get a pass to be a pill, but it seems many stars are fairly appreciative at the beginning.

I'd rather wait to rip apart Madonna's W.E. movie if it's true she ignores the whole Nazi ties Wallis Simpson had, rather than complain about a side conversation she didn't realize would be shared with the world.

WindSpirit
09-08-2011, 05:37 PM
I have to say that there is a lot of overreaction, but it's not from Madonna. I agree. It's amazing how much could be said about such a non event.

Btw, I'm worse than Madonna. I told my sister to stop buying me clothes because whatever she thought I would like, I hated. No, not merely didn't like, didn't mind, etc. I hated it. It was just so not my style, not mention it didn't fit well so I told her to stop so it all wouldn't go to waste. Lock me up! ;)

Madonna might be a bitch somewhere else, but she didn't do anything wrong here. We all have said stuff to people in private that we wouldn't say to others in public for whatever reason (usually in order not to hurt their feelings). And I'm sure often it was worse than merely stating a fact that we didn't like some flowers that we got. But whatever. I guess one can find some comfort in speaking from a high horse (and yes, I know that from experience :lol:)

cruisin
09-08-2011, 06:06 PM
I don't think that's the logic behind it.:P Someone who drinks their cappucino at the counter isn't going to be taking up a table and lingering for hours over their cup. It's economics innit.

Yes, it's a rip off. Most of the time people don't stay long enough to practically double the price of the beverage/food.

hydro
09-08-2011, 06:25 PM
Yes, it's a rip off. Most of the time people don't stay long enough to practically double the price of the beverage/food.

But the place is going to lose money from someone occupying a table and only ordering a coffee compared to someone at a table who will be ordering a meal.

Think of the table as having a $10 minimum much like bars do when they have $2 draft nights.