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RD
10-20-2011, 04:13 PM
I notice they do require you to put a birthdate down, though. (I choose not to show mine)

Alexa5
10-20-2011, 04:15 PM
I wouldn't say I think it is evil...I just think it is set up in a way that makes it more difficult than it needs to be. I haven't used google+ yet, but I already like what I have heard about that one in that it seems to be a more straightforward concept.

I guess for me it has never been worth the hassle to do facebook....if I want to talk to a family or friend we email each other, and that works. Plus I am fortunate that none of my family seems to be on facebook or rely on it. I do have friends on it, but those that I keep in touch with also will do email/phone, etc.

I don't have any problems with others that like FB, it just isn't for me, and I especially wouldn't like having to frequently update my settings to make sure my account stayed private, etc.

Jenny
10-20-2011, 04:23 PM
I notice they do require you to put a birthdate down, though. (I choose not to show mine)

As you said, you don't have to have it show, and they even give you the option of showing it without a year if you prefer, so your friends can still send you birthday messages. And of course, there's nothing to stop you from putting in a fake birthdate.

I don't buy this "you'll get robbed" business either. If your status updates can only be seen by your friends list, and you're getting robbed when you post that you'll be out or away, then I think you have a bigger problem than FB privacy for heaven's sake.

Naturally all the people who have issues and fears about FB are the ones who don't actually use it.

Prancer
10-20-2011, 04:24 PM
I would also be interested in whether FB posts have led to someone being robbed.

I wouldn't be surprised if they had, but maybe not for the reasons people think.

I live in a burg where nearly everyone has kids; we are awash in people under 18. A police officer here told me that with a handful of exceptions, robberies here are committed by teens against the families of other teens. IOW, if we go out of town and come home to find that the house has been broken into, it is overwhelmingly likely that the perpetrators were my kids' peers.

In that respect, I can see Facebook being a place where opportunistic teens can find houses to rob. It's not unusual for kids to have nearly everyone at their schools on their Facebook lists and most kids post about their doings.

But the above was true before Facebook, too; Facebook has just made it easier for that particular demographic.

Otherwise, though, I don't see a lot of thieves going to the time and trouble of using Facebook to troll for empty houses. I know of a way it could be done, but talk about tedious and time consuming. I think it would be faster and easier to do things the old-fashioned way--go around prospective neighborhoods looking for signs that people are away, which are usually pretty obvious. Facebook is kind of beside the point there; you can have all the privacy settings in the world on your Facebook page, but if you forget to cancel your newspaper, you haven't yourself much good.

genevieve
10-20-2011, 04:25 PM
people still get newspapers?

;)

PDilemma
10-20-2011, 04:30 PM
I wouldn't say I think it is evil...I just think it is set up in a way that makes it more difficult than it needs to be. I haven't used google+ yet, but I already like what I have heard about that one in that it seems to be a more straightforward concept.

I guess for me it has never been worth the hassle to do facebook....if I want to talk to a family or friend we email each other, and that works. Plus I am fortunate that none of my family seems to be on facebook or rely on it. I do have friends on it, but those that I keep in touch with also will do email/phone, etc.

I don't have any problems with others that like FB, it just isn't for me, and I especially wouldn't like having to frequently update my settings to make sure my account stayed private, etc.

Actually, it is not difficult to set privacy settings. I don't know how the meme became that it is.

As for google+, I am on it, have tried it out. I hate it. There are no privacy settings to view regarding posts, so you don't actually know what is public and what is not. You are left to assume that it is private because google told you it was. On FB now, I can look at the setting on someone's post before I comment and know who will see it...their friends or friends of friends or a custom list.

I cannot figure out how to use most of it. I put someone in the wrong circle and cannot remove her without deleting her; I could add her to the right circle as well, but could not get her out of the wrong one. I was going to leave a wall post or message for someone not on Facebook to tell him something a few weeks ago--no idea how to do that without commenting on an existing post. Not sure there is a way.

And I consider myself fortunate that a lot of my extended family is on FB; there is nothing unfortunate about how we have been able to use it as a platform to keep in touch. Thirteen cousins is a lot of email. But one family list means I can quickly communicate with all of them briefly without having to have them all in my address book--which I didn't. Passing around email addresses is a project with a big family. I can live chat with them there easily and for free.

Prancer
10-20-2011, 04:40 PM
I put someone in the wrong circle and cannot remove her without deleting her; I could add her to the right circle as well, but could not get her out of the wrong one.

To take people out of a circle, hover above the circle, grab their icon and drag it back into the people plane.

http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/how_to_start_with_google_plus.php

FigureSpins
10-20-2011, 04:41 PM
Don't interpret this as sarcasm, because, really, it's not. This "Facebook will get you robbed" thing is mentioned all the time. But what isn't is a real example of someone doing that and getting robbed. So I am really asking...has this ever actually been documented as happening? Or is it just one more paranoia in paranoid modern America?

(And FTR, my FB is set to maximum privacy settings and my address and phone numbers are not posted there)

To answer your first question, yes. A friend of mine (in law enforcement -- should've known better), indicated that they'd be away on vacation on his Facebook page. Some schoolmates (not friends) of their son helped themselves to the bicycles in the storage shed. The thieves made the mistake of bragging and it got back to my friend's son and my friend confronted them to retrieve the bikes. They admitted that they knew the family would be away because the son's Facebook page wasn't secured. The son had been whining about going away for Thanksgiving.

Maximum privacy is good, but Facebook loves to override those settings, right? While you might have listed a fake location, most people screw up in their posts and indicate that they live in New Rochelle, NY (for example.) Anywho.com can usually help anyone look up the address once they know your name.

As someone who gets the daily newspaper, I also have a phone book in addition to online resources to find someone.

I work in College Admissions and I once received an "add me to your mailing list" card that was illegible. I looked up the email on the internet to see if I had it correct and found the young lady's Xanga site (forerunner of MySpace and Facebook) that listed every personal item, including her birthdate and where she went to school, dance class (with date/time) and track team practices. I had to shake my head because she gave a detailed itinerary for her upcoming Sweet 16 blast, which meant being out of the house for an entire day with her family.

PDilemma
10-20-2011, 04:50 PM
To take people out of a circle, hover above the circle, grab their icon and drag it back into the people plane.

http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/how_to_start_with_google_plus.php

Tried that. It popped up asking if I was sure I wanted to delete her from my contacts.

Doesn't matter. She can be a friend and an acquaintance, I guess. Because I don't use it since no one posts anything.

Tesla
10-20-2011, 05:00 PM
To answer your first question, yes. A friend of mine (in law enforcement -- should've known better), indicated that they'd be away on vacation on his Facebook page. Some schoolmates (not friends) of their son helped themselves to the bicycles in the storage shed. The thieves made the mistake of bragging and it got back to my friend's son and my friend confronted them to retrieve the bikes. They admitted that they knew the family would be away because the son's Facebook page wasn't secured. The son had been whining about going away for Thanksgiving.

Maximum privacy is good, but Facebook loves to override those settings, right? While you might have listed a fake location, most people screw up in their posts and indicate that they live in New Rochelle, NY (for example.) Anywho.com can usually help anyone look up the address once they know your name.

Which goes back to what Prancer said. And why should your friend have known better? Unless he should've made sure his son's FB had secured privacy settings, then, yeah, he should've known better with that. Otherwise, it is a bit on the the son for not securing his FB page.

Re. FB overriding privacy settings, so far as I know, they don't. Through the recent changes, I haven't had to update my privacy settings, except for any new ones they might have implemented.

PDilemma
10-20-2011, 05:05 PM
Which goes back to what Prancer said. And why should your friend have known better? Unless he should've made sure his son's FB had secured privacy settings, then, yeah, he should've known better with that. Otherwise, it is a bit on the the son for not securing his FB page.

Re. FB overriding privacy settings, so far as I know, they don't. Through the recent changes, I haven't had to update my privacy settings, except for any new ones they might have implemented.

And, again going back to what Prancer said, if the kid was whining on FB, he was likely whining in person as well, so FB may not have been the only source of info. Not too mention that many people leave home for holidays. It's a safe bet that you can find empty homes at that time of year.

Prancer
10-20-2011, 07:24 PM
While you might have listed a fake location, most people screw up in their posts and indicate that they live in New Rochelle, NY (for example.) Anywho.com can usually help anyone look up the address once they know your name.

Maybe they do, but if you have even the lightest level of protection on their Facebook page, no one can read those posts except people on your Friends list anyway, and those people usually already know where you live.

Now you might, say, play games on Facebook that require you to add people, and then not every Friend is actually a friend--but that's easy to take care of, too.

Never once have I had a problem with Facebook suddenly deleting or overriding my privacy settings, and I've been on Facebook since 2004 or so.


And, again going back to what Prancer said, if the kid was whining on FB, he was likely whining in person as well

Yup. The first time I heard the "it's kids your kids know" from a cop here was way back when Facebook was restricted to people with .edu addresses and high school students weren't allowed to join. Word gets around. High school kids gossip, just like everyone else. It might be Facebook one time, but something overheard in the cafeteria another. I don't see one as more threatening than the other.

Cheylana
10-20-2011, 08:41 PM
Can I ask a technical question? When Facebook had its recent updates, I was just getting the same 5-7 status updates over and over again in my Newsfeed. My sister suggested I move my friends into my Close Friends folder, and that would effectively recreate the old Newsfeed.

I did that, but ever since then Notifications pop up about anything and everything, even if a friend is commenting on a non-friend's photo. Every time I open Facebook up, I see I have like 98 Notifications, which is ridiculous. I unchecked everything I could find under my Account settings, to no avail. Anyone know how I can fix this??

Prancer
10-20-2011, 08:56 PM
I did that, but ever since then Notifications pop up about anything and everything, even if a friend is commenting on a non-friend's photo. Every time I open Facebook up, I see I have like 98 Notifications, which is ridiculous. I unchecked everything I could find under my Account settings, to no avail. Anyone know how I can fix this??

Someone else may know a better way, but I had to go to each person's page, click on Subscribed and then select what I wanted to subscribe to for that person.

It wasn't too bad for me, though, because it was just a few people who were really clogging up my newsfeed, and I did it as I went along. I set a lot of people to status updates only and that cut way down on the notifications.

PDilemma
10-20-2011, 09:01 PM
Can I ask a technical question? When Facebook had its recent updates, I was just getting the same 5-7 status updates over and over again in my Newsfeed. My sister suggested I move my friends into my Close Friends folder, and that would effectively recreate the old Newsfeed.

I did that, but ever since then Notifications pop up about anything and everything, even if a friend is commenting on a non-friend's photo. Every time I open Facebook up, I see I have like 98 Notifications, which is ridiculous. I unchecked everything I could find under my Account settings, to no avail. Anyone know how I can fix this??

I emptied the "close friends" folder and the endless notifications of other people's activities stopped. I have my own "real friends" list that I had set prior to the change anyway.