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Rob
09-20-2011, 10:21 PM
Is today training day at the camp with another competition tomorrow?

Fridge_Break
09-20-2011, 10:32 PM
Is today training day at the camp with another competition tomorrow?

Dear god, I hope not. :yikes:

BigB08822
09-20-2011, 10:35 PM
I know they were having 2 days of competition so if today was training then tomorrow must be the competition and the team announcement.

Rob
09-20-2011, 11:12 PM
I read they were having 2 competitions too. This morning, Shawn tweeted "Training all day ... then last chance tomorrow!"

chipso1
09-20-2011, 11:26 PM
In lieu of DeathCamps, maybe it would be smart of Martha to, ya know, give these girls some actual competition experience by participating in more friendlies with other nations? :rolleyes: That's the biggest flaw with her whole system, IMO. These girls need feedback from international judges and to see how they stack up against other teams.

mkats
09-20-2011, 11:38 PM
Wasn't Ivana Hong injured at 2007 worlds? I thought she competed prelims and then had to sit out finals.

Shawn had a stress fracture right after those worlds too, IIRC.

judgejudy27
09-20-2011, 11:40 PM
Hong wasnt injured in 2007. She just didnt make the team final lineup for any event. Even in prelims she did only bars and beam. With Johnson, Liukin, and Sacramone they didnt need her on beam, and with Johnson, Liukin, and Peszek they didnt need her on vault. The bars lineup was weak but so is Ivana's, and they chose Shawn as the 3rd bars worker for team finals.

BigB08822
09-21-2011, 01:22 AM
In lieu of DeathCamps, maybe it would be smart of Martha to, ya know, give these girls some actual competition experience by participating in more friendlies with other nations? :rolleyes: That's the biggest flaw with her whole system, IMO. These girls need feedback from international judges and to see how they stack up against other teams.

Just last week Romania and Great Britain had a friendly meet. I think it is a much better idea than all these death camps.

vesperholly
09-21-2011, 03:14 AM
In lieu of DeathCamps, maybe it would be smart of Martha to, ya know, give these girls some actual competition experience by participating in more friendlies with other nations? :rolleyes: That's the biggest flaw with her whole system, IMO. These girls need feedback from international judges and to see how they stack up against other teams.

I couldn't agree more. Camp pressure is completely different than competitive pressure. I wonder if lack of international competitions is Martha's prerogative or USAG doesn't have the funds.

VIETgrlTerifa
09-21-2011, 03:47 AM
I agree. Camp has familiarity and the secluded environment does nothing to prepare these athletes for crowds, pressure from outside teams, and international scrutiny.

Hedwig
09-21-2011, 07:41 AM
I agree about the camps but maybe her intention is not to disrupt the training process with too much travel which does make sense in a way. But she is drawing the wrong conclusions IMO.
A few less but select competitions would be much better.

Allen
09-21-2011, 04:05 PM
Not that it would compare to having a friendly competition against China or Russia, but without much travel, the US team could do friendly competitions with Mexico and Canada. There are high level judges from both places. So, it seems to me that if they did a couple days of training and then a friendly meet, that would work better than 5-7 days with all day schedules and 5 hour competitions.

FiveRinger
09-21-2011, 04:19 PM
Not that it would compare to having a friendly competition against China or Russia, but without much travel, the US team could do friendly competitions with Mexico and Canada. There are high level judges from both places. So, it seems to me that if they did a couple days of training and then a friendly meet, that would work better than 5-7 days with all day schedules and 5 hour competitions.

We used to have those, quite regularly. US vs Romania, USSR, etc. I guess that was political, but it would be nice if we could get back to some of that. The fans would certainly appreciate it.

Or maybe they should come up with the gymnastics equivalent of the Grand Prix, huh?

Fridge_Break
09-21-2011, 04:38 PM
We used to have those, quite regularly. US vs Romania, USSR, etc. I guess that was political, but it would be nice if we could get back to some of that. The fans would certainly appreciate it.

Or maybe they should come up with the gymnastics equivalent of the Grand Prix, huh?

They did have a World Cup series (or still do?), but IIRC Marta decided not to send (m)any people to those over the years.

I'd be all on board for friendly competitions that don't really mean anything (other than perhaps their performance would factor slightly into the team decision process), just for the purpose of getting routines in front of large crowds, in front of judges, etc.

Braulio
09-21-2011, 05:23 PM
I hope that Marta and her death camps go away pronto!!

I am really tired of this same experience, year after year and 2 olympic games getting with high expectations about the team chances blown away because of the girls injuring themselves at those death camps

Itīs like they had to go to 4 olympic games type of pressure BEFORE the actual games

its obvious they are done mentally and phisically