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09-19-2011, 10:55 PM
Marta will probably just run them into the ground with no breaks between Visas and Olympic Trials. Not sure of the schedule but if there are a few weeks off between those two events then I fully expect Marta to hold camps before trials. This means we won't even have a healthy team to compete for the Olympic spots, much less at the Olympics.

09-19-2011, 11:04 PM
If you could choose attending Visa Nationals or the Olympic Trials, which would it be? I'm in that predicament (nice huh? ;) ) and want to make a good decision.

09-19-2011, 11:10 PM
Trials! They're going to announce the team at Trials.

09-19-2011, 11:15 PM
If you could choose attending Visa Nationals or the Olympic Trials, which would it be? I'm in that predicament (nice huh? ;) ) and want to make a good decision.

I would also go to Trials. Trials will have all the same people as Nationals, at least all of those hoping for an Olympic spot. If you don't care about seeing just the big names, and want to go see the juniors, then go to Nationals. You will get a lot more gymnastics viewing in if you go to all the events. Trials is a much bigger deal, though, and only comes once every 4 years!

Snark: I am getting really aggravated with the gymnastics message board I post at. No one has posted in the Camp thread since I mentioned the tweets from Chellsie and Alicia. I went back and posted about Macko's possible injury and nothing. I think it is sad that this thread has had multiple posts and I have learned more on a figure skating message board then on a board dedicated to gymnastics. Just goes to show how amazing this place is and how all of you have spoiled me with constant news and updates. Thanks everyone for keeping it interesting!

09-19-2011, 11:40 PM
Do you think Douglas would still be chosen for the team ahead of Li? I guess with the way things are looking now, I can see a team with both Douglas and Li.

No way. One of them would have to up on beam in prelims, the horror!

I would go with Johnson, Memmel, or Douglas, some combination of two.

Actually, now that I think about it, I think they will go with Sloan as a bar specialist, if she really has been looking that good.

09-19-2011, 11:54 PM
I don't think Marta cares if we have to put up someone like Douglas on beam. The US is qualifying to team finals top 4 no matter what unless something horrifying happened such as an injury mid routine on bars x2, since Sacramone doesn't do bars. All other events we have backups in case of last minute injury and even then, we don't NEED to drop scores. If we have to count a fall on beam, no big deal. I think the US will lead qualifying easily, it will be 6-3-3 where the math comes into play and the US will have a tougher time beating out other teams.

09-20-2011, 02:07 AM
Death camp takes it's first victim! Poor Macko. :( I wonder who is next.

09-20-2011, 05:24 AM
How does Marta not put two and two together? Excessively long camps=injuries? What planet is she on? Does any other country do this to their athletes?

09-20-2011, 06:29 AM
At this point I think Li and Douglas should both be on the team, no other two gymnasts complete the core 4 (Maroney, Sacramone, Wieber, Raisman) better and having Douglas compete AA in prelims won't affect their chances of TF. I'm getting nervous, its hard to believe that Worlds are coming up! :eek:

09-20-2011, 05:05 PM
In 2007, Nastia was still recovering from her ankle injuries, IIRC, and didn't really have the stamina to get through the entire AA.

I can't remember the last time the U.S. fielded a completely healthy team.

Yes, Nastia was still recovering in 2007.

2006 Nastia and Chellsie were injured. Nastia did a reduced load, and Chellsie had to drop out of AA final.

2005 was just AA EF, right so no team

2004 Kupets injured

2003 who wasn't injured?

2002 was EF

2001 maybe? (although nearly every member of the team was injured the following year)

09-20-2011, 05:15 PM
^^^ So basically a pretty craptacular track record on Marta's part when it comes to preparing teams non? :rolleyes:

09-20-2011, 06:02 PM
I'm not sure, we blame the camp system, but all the big teams are beat up. It seems like the Russian and Romanian girls are competing internationally every other weekend. I think Izbasa is injured again, and Komova is still not 100%, but she's been competing all over the place.

09-20-2011, 06:28 PM
I thought the general concensus was that the majority of worldwide injuries were due to the CoP this quad? I have read many knowledgeable posters lamenting the risks it encourages, (see Amanar vault.) Also Komova's was a freak injury - she tripped over a gym mat.

Whichever way you want to spin it; Marta's record on delivering healthy, injury-free gymnasts to major meets is fairly dire.

09-20-2011, 08:01 PM
A report on Tumblr says that Caquatto injured both ankles on a beam dismount that was landed very short. :(

09-20-2011, 09:42 PM
M. Caquatto was throwing simple double fulls as her beam dismount at Visas. Now we hear she is out of it because of a double pike. That is a big bump up in difficulty. What I wonder is whether she was being pushed by Marta to up the D score by doing that dismount? We all knew the double full wouldn't work on the World stage but she could have done a 2 1/2 twist dismount easily or gone to a double tuck.