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VIETgrlTerifa
09-14-2011, 07:03 PM
Then it wouldn't be much different from Athens and Beijing. Thanks Marta, Queen of the Olympic silver medals!

Scintillation
09-14-2011, 07:26 PM
Looking at videos from 2009-2010 and then watching the 2011 nats, there was a definite change in Rebecca Bross' face. I mean her competitive stare has always been terrifying but she looked like she wanted to be out there. At nationals she looked completely miserable, like she'd rather be anywhere else. I hope she's okay.
And while I doubt Shawn will make the world team now, I hope she recovers. And upgrades bars.

judgejudy27
09-15-2011, 01:51 AM
I am still assuming a healthy Bross is a lock to make the Olympic team, but is that a faulty assumption on my part with only 5 women and possibly her stock falling at the moment.

vesperholly
09-15-2011, 02:37 AM
I am still assuming a healthy Bross is a lock to make the Olympic team, but is that a faulty assumption on my part with only 5 women and possibly her stock falling at the moment.

I don't know that her stock is falling, really - she had a fairly major injury before she hurt herself on that vault. That's a perfectly valid reason for her underperformance. A healthy Bross is still a lock in my mind.

BigB08822
09-15-2011, 04:35 AM
I think Bross is still ALMOST a lock if she is healthy. Her value is being a) TF worthy on UB when we need it BADLY and b) useful on every other event besides vault. She makes a very useful addition on a team needing a decent bars score because she gives us that and is useful on all other events. We wouldn't want her to vault in TF but she could if she had to whereas someone like Sacramone couldn't do bars if we needed her to, we would have to take a 0.

I imagine the team to be something like:

Bross
Weiber
Ross
Sacramone or Maroney (not both)
Douglas (if she gets her head together, her bars are needed and she is useful on other events).

Of course, this is assuming health and if even one person goes down then everything can change. Some people's spot on the team may actually depend on others not getting injured, as crazy as that sounds.

I feel like I am forgetting someone but can't figure out who.

Liukin could make the team for bars if she has a huge D score. She is the ONLY person the US could take for bars only (and beam backup), everyone else who wants to fill the bars slot must be useful on at least 2 other events. IMO. Of course, I don't think she has any intention to come back but just in case...

Pierre
09-15-2011, 05:21 AM
I'd love to see Johnson on the Olympic team if she can get back up to some decent start values. Obviously I don't expect her to make the world team.

BigB08822
09-15-2011, 05:23 AM
I'd love to see Johnson on the Olympic team if she can get back up to some decent start values. Obviously I don't expect her to make the world team.

Johnson apparently sprained her foot. Still going to the 2nd camp but the writing is on the wall, Shawn is not making the World team. Although, an alternate position may still be possible and if injuries occur last minute you never know.

Shawn would need, IMO, her Amanar back plus most of her floor difficulty. Her beam is about set, she can continue to upgrade but even as of now she is one of the better US beam workers. She can do it but her knee is the issue. I don't see her getting the Amanar or most of what she will need on floor. Her knee might be fine but Shawn really doesn't want to trust it.

VIETgrlTerifa
09-15-2011, 09:19 AM
I really don't see Shawn being part of a five-member Olympics team barring major injuries or major upgrades on all of her events. Her strongest event, beam, gives her a case but there are other strong beam workers out there who are much more useful on other events.

Although 5-4-3/5-3-3 format still heavily favors event specialists the way 6-3-3 did, 5-3-3 makes 3-eventers and AAers more important.

I'm not saying Shawn can't make it, but from all of her previous interviews, her major post-Beijing injury sounds like it's preventing her from ever getting back to her previous form/difficulty.

Domshabfan
09-15-2011, 10:11 AM
Shawn's amanar, even in 2008 was bit suspicious on rotation, under 2009-2012 code judges could very well downgrade the Amanar of 2008 quality. On top of that her UB is not what US whats, so i am not sure about her making 2012 team.

As for Bross, her injuries could be her biggest problem. She, I believe tried everything within her power to retain her national title but her body wasn't ready for that challenge. Personally I am not sure whether she is that mentally tough competitor, when pressure moments came in past, i believe she cracked. Next year she will be up against a deeper field like Kyla Ross and not just Wieber. If she has tendencies to crack under pressure we will see next year during US nationals. Only event she is essential is UB, where she has the same D score as Wieber, but her execution is at least 0.5 point or more cleaner than Jordyn. So if other the like of Douglas and Li find consistency, Bross position on US team may not be a lock.

Between Asac and healthy Maroney, I will chose Maroney because she has more potential as an all rounder. Maroney's biggest problem is likely to be the recurring back injury of hers. It seems it is effecting her training again, so she may have difficulty continuing to do AA, like Nabieva had after her back injury.

Personally if i had to pick team for 2012 i will pick

Wieber, Ross as AA
Maroney -AA more so for Vt, Fx
Douglas - UB, useful on Beam
Bross- UB, Beam... if not Li-UB, if she can upgrade and HIT her routine.

I am not a Raisman fan and hence won't be too disappointed to see her of the team.

ilovepaydays
09-15-2011, 02:10 PM
Very nice article on Danell Leyva - I hope he does well at worlds but I hope he doesn't top out there.

Washington Post: Danell Leyva aims to convert skeptics at world gymnastics championships (http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/olympics/danell-leyva-aims-to-convert-skeptics-at-world-gymnastics-championships/2011/09/07/gIQAjNi1SK_story.html)

Dionysus
09-15-2011, 02:47 PM
I am eager to see London battle when and if all girls could recover. Russian team looks absolutely menacing: Komova. Mustafina, Grishina, Dementyeva, Sidorova, Nabieva... uhh :respec:

Rob
09-15-2011, 03:44 PM
Then it wouldn't be much different from Athens and Beijing. Thanks Marta, Queen of the Olympic silver medals!

Yes, if it is anything like the last 2, no matter who we send, we could have only 3 or 4 left standing by the time team finals comes around.

VIETgrlTerifa
09-15-2011, 06:38 PM
I am not a Raisman fan and hence won't be too disappointed to see her of the team.

I read from a few posters on GGMB that Raisman has alternate written all over her. Do you find that to be true as well?

floskate
09-15-2011, 07:06 PM
I read from a few posters on GGMB that Raisman has alternate written all over her. Do you find that to be true as well?

It's so hard to predict gymnastics teams because of the injury factor but Raisman is the perfect alternate to me but I think a lot will depend on the US bars situation in 9 months time. If they have three good bars workers and an alternate with a decent set, then Raisman is not on the team. If they feel bars is totally covered and they need back up on beam and specifically floor then she's going to London.

judgejudy27
09-15-2011, 07:08 PM
It seems Raisman is almost being discounted from making the team next year. It will be interesting to see if she can surprise some people.